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Not a lot of difference. 45kg weight saving.
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Q2 as standard, that will make a big difference to the 2.4 JTD, I did not know that, I would want to confirm that before telling our customers.

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Thanks for the link Kev
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Q2 as standard, that will make a big difference to the 2.4 JTD, I did not know that, I would want to confirm that before telling our customers.

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It says electronic Q2....so it is new version of ASR...nothing to do with the real mechanical Q2
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Reading info on the 159 and the future 08 Brera/Spider i notice a distinct air of german influence, TPSM has been a big thing on german saloons for a number of years, it's nice to know Alfa are now adding to the beauty and performance with some sensible standard & optional equipment.

p.s. I'm so tempted to take a financial hit on my 5 series and replace with a 159ti - Fiat 500d combo hehe but i have to be sensible and realistically i'm consigned to the e60 for another year.
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Hi, thank you for the link...now I am thinking why did i rushed to get my 159ti end of last year...
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and to think you missed the opportunity to specify Frau (R) floral print upholstery!!!
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Floral print?

For the 70's hippy generation?
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Strange, no Q2, no new engines (1.8T?, no new diesels), no new steel in structure...
BIG BIG disappointment...
With this, sales will not go up...

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120bhp diesel....will it even move?
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Strange, no Q2, no new engines (1.8T?, no new diesels), no new steel in structure...
BIG BIG disappointment...
With this, sales will not go up...
If you read the blurb they have lost 45kg through changes to the suspension and chassis. Also with all the extra choices I think sales will increase.
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Strange, no Q2, no new engines (1.8T?, no new diesels), no new steel in structure...
BIG BIG disappointment...
With this, sales will not go up...
I thought it did get Q2; albeit an electronic version
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I think 45kg is a very creditable weight saving. Its more difficult to achieve than you think, particularly as a mid production 'addon' or take off I suppose.

I think Alfa should be applauded for listening and responding very quickly by their historical standards. I thinks its a lovely car and I hope it finds lots more owners.

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i'm afraid I think the genie is out tha bag


cars hit a market once and THAT's IT

145kg - maybe

Jag can't sell advanced alu construction with Ford marketing power

159 is a lame duck
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i'm afraid I think the genie is out tha bag


cars hit a market once and THAT's IT

145kg - maybe

Jag can't sell advanced alu construction with Ford marketing power

159 is a lame duck
You may have a point there, but in no way is the 159 a "lame duck".

Alfa must be applauded for trying to improve the Brera, Spider, 159.
Even if they dont sell many cars initally they may sell more off the back of happier updated 159 owners in the future.

Besides most manufacturers worth anything give their models a mid life revamp.
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I know, I'm working the ticket a bit, but the reality check is necessary.

The GTA (70's) was important and the 90's GTA's were interesting, but in no way will be people running 156 GTA experience days...why?

- not fast enough
- not reliable enough
- not special enough

and I want a GTA

see my point...i got the bug........that ain't enough.....need millions to get the bug and PRODUCT is the only answer
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I know, I'm working the ticket a bit, but the reality check is necessary.

The GTA (70's) was important and the 90's GTA's were interesting, but in no way will be people running 156 GTA experience days...why?

- not fast enough
- not reliable enough
- not special enough

and I want a GTA

see my point...i got the bug........that ain't enough.....need millions to get the bug and PRODUCT is the only answer
1) GTA's were in the £20k plus bracket, not in the £50k plus bracket where you get cars for "experience days". A golf GTI these days can cost over £25k!! and do you see any GTI experience days?

2) Cant remember any GTA's from the '90's

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dont need new engines...tthe 2.2JTS is fine and will be even better with 45kg less to pull around
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1) GTA's were in the £20k plus bracket, not in the £50k plus bracket where you get cars for "experience days". A golf GTI these days can cost over £25k!! and do you see any GTI experience days?

2) Cant remember any GTA's from the '90's
i could argue with the detail but the point is no one is leaping to the defence of Alfa - stating the necessary. Remember the Peugeot 205?

Perfect. Perfect style, size, etc. made everything before, around, and after seem a bit crap.

I'd like alfa to have that effect with the junior - but it won't be more than 5% different from a Skoda or Seat.
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A skinny 159...??

The thought of it is making me horny...

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Electronic Q2:

"The real news here is the new Electronic Q2 system that makes its debut on the 2008 Brera and Spider. Instead of the mechanical Q2 system found on many Alfas, which uses a Torsen limited-slip differential, the Electronic Q2 system uses the brakes to shift torque from one side of the car to the other to help maintain traction. In front-drive models, the system is linked to the front wheels. In all-wheel drive models, its linked to the rear wheels, where, according to Alfa, it has similar benefits to a fitting the car with a central Torsen and self-locking rear differentials. This system is also fitted on the 2008 Alfa Romeo 159 sedan and wagon."

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120bhp diesel....will it even move?
If it does, look for it to become the top engine choice in England!
I can't think of any non-sportscars off the top of my head where the least-powerful engine isn't the most popular choice because buyers find it too slow.

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Remember the Peugeot 205?
Perfect. Perfect style, size, etc. made everything before, around, and after seem a bit crap.
Once they updated it after it had already hit the market, to include the 1.9-litre engine.

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Instead of the mechanical Q2 system found on many Alfas, which uses a Torsen limited-slip differential, the Electronic Q2 system uses the brakes to shift torque from one side of the car to the other...
Great.. instead of a proper solution enabling you to go maximum speed, you can now have the brakes applied automatically to slow you down.
But hey I haven't driven it..

I also approve of Alfa listening and making attempts to improve their car. Losing weight from suspension components will improve handling and not sacrifice the 6-star crash rating.

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Great.. instead of a proper solution enabling you to go maximum speed, you can now have the brakes applied automatically to slow you down.
But hey I haven't driven it..
My thoughts exactly! Whats wrong with a mechanical Q2 that they had to change to another bit of electronic trickery that will probably fail after 7 or 8 years and cost the unlucky second owner £1000 to fix..
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It's all a bit too little too late for me I'm afraid. I was hoping for a new twin turbo version of the 1.9JTD, which had more power 200BHP perhaps, and better CO2 figures to bring the tax down.
It showed no sign of happening, so I've gone over to that terrible German alternative...
Oh well
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