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Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

Source: Fiat outsourcing to cheaper markets - Autoblog

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Meanwhile, Fiat Group chief Sergio Marchionne confirmed that, following Tata's purchase of Jaguar and Land Rover, his company plans to use Jaguar mechanicals to underpin Alfa Romeo's next flagship sedan, the replacement for the ageing 167.
Excellent - the XF platform (which is the likely candidate I guess) is superb by all accounts and very capable.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

This has got to be good news for Alfa,and save a lot of expense developing thier own rear drive platform.
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For a website that continually refers to the Alfa 167, you have to question the accuracy of everything they say.
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True, I would like to read the original article but its paid sub only. Although I've no reason to doubt their accuracy.

At least they aren't spectacularly claiming the 149 will be £20000
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Excellent news.... I just hope it all comes together without a hitch.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

jaguars have always (ok, generally) been brilliant apart from the "archers on the gramophone" styling and the heinous use of wood on the dash. under the skin they've often been good enough to give ze germans a good kicking so if this stuff is true then i'm all for it
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

Sounds like good news.. Any comment from Tata?
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Odd isn't it..the last I heard is that the Jag/Tata deal had hit a spot of bother..so who is Alfa dealing with..Ford..Tata..or Jaguar??

I don't even know what a 167 is?? and why is its chassis 'ageing'..

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Sounds like good news.. Any comment from Tata?
Bigfoot, he say no.

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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

I think the article is a little weak on detail.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

Are we forgetting the XF is a reskin, its still that Lincoln-shed underneath - the 166 is probably hardly any older!
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Exactly its BS - the XF doesnt have a 'platform, its the Ford US LS platform used in the Lincoln as the man says.

Its not a good platform and restricts the siaze of the cabin and screen rake.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

Wow, replacing a car that hasn't been made yet!

ALFA 167

Whether it's on an old platform or not, the XF is being lauded as a genuine BMW/Merc beater and the best car in its sector, so I'd take a positive view.

PS Reports over recent days suggest Tata and Ford are close to agreeing the Jag deal.
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I've no reason to doubt their accuracy.
read some of their older material and you have plenty of reason to doubt their accuracy.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

There is another very big problem if Alfa start going down this sort of route.
The current jaguar platform (whether new or old) has been developed by a company that knows how to produce good cars that handle well. Once jaguar et al is handed over to Tata, all Ford involvement then stops. So it's great that the next big Alfa might be based on the current Jag XF/Mondeo platform, but what happens after that? Alfa will be reliant on Tata to develop the next platform, and what experience do they have of developing such class leading stuff?
If Alfa has any sense it will persue a platform sharing tie in with someone whom has the existing pedigree to develop such stuff, otherwise we may find ourselves riding around in stuff that has a rather more agricultural feel to the handling!!
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Once jaguar et al is handed over to Tata, all Ford involvement then stops.
my company changed hands a couple of years ago, i didnt get any worse at my job.

TATA will own jag, not develop their platforms, in the same way Ford own jag but did not develop the platform for the XF, it was jaguar developed (from s-type platform with xk suspension). the people working for jag and the jag facilites will become TATA owned, that doesnt mean all the people working for jag will suddenly become idiots and be unable to do as good work as they did when ford owned jag.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

I am not suggesting that Jaguar employees will suddenly become incompetant, however I am under the impression that all new Jaguar platforms are Ford platforms, not Jaguar specific. If they are Jaguar specific then fair play, everything goes on as normal, however they would probably be the only volume car company owned by a global parent that is developing their own platform.
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the s-type was developed by jaguar using the DEW platform. the DEW platform was joinly developed by ford and jag.
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Serious question, not trying to take the p*ss. Were you involved in the development of the s-type?
Only asking because I was under the impresion that the platfrom used for the s-type was developed by ford to be used by Lincoln, and Jaguar used this platform as a base, around which they engineered the s-type. I wasn't aware that the platform was developed specifically for the s-type, rather that the platform had been developed and was made available for Jag to use.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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no i wasnt involved in the development, but i can read.

The DEW platform was developed by both Ford and Jaguar engineers.
Ford DEW platform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The s-type was styled by the late Geoff Lawson, and is based on the Jaguar DEW platform/Ford DEW platform which it shared with the now out of production Lincoln LS, but with substantial modifications.
Jaguar S-Type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Doh, of course "Google is your friend"!!!
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Serious question, not trying to take the p*ss. Were you involved in the development of the s-type?
Only asking because I was under the impresion that the platfrom used for the s-type was developed by ford to be used by Lincoln, and Jaguar used this platform as a base, around which they engineered the s-type. I wasn't aware that the platform was developed specifically for the s-type, rather that the platform had been developed and was made available for Jag to use.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct the S type is a lincoln platform. I haven't read the Wikipedia link but remember Wikipedia is not always correct due to the fact anyone can edit it.
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Re: Alfa WILL use a Jaguar platform...

There seems to be no end of confusion here. I was under the impression that the S-type carried the same suspension componentry as the Lincoln which was created in Dearborn. Not sure there was much Jaguar adaptation.
The other combined effort with other parts of the Ford empire was the X-type which is indeed a Mondeo underneath.
The current XK and XJ models share their suspension, drivetrains and some of the under stucture, both being aluminium. I think the old XK was more S-type. I understand that in terms of performance and road manners the new XK has benefitted substantially from this change.

Doesn't say that in the manual

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There seems to be no end of confusion here. I was under the impression that the S-type carried the same suspension componentry as the Lincoln which was created in Dearborn. Not sure there was much Jaguar adaptation.
you're right the original s-type did have exactly the same suspension components as the LS (no one said otherwise ) but the s-type was set up by jag and the LS by ford, which is why there is such a big difference.

in the same way AR have setup fiat bravo suspension on a fiat bravo platform for the 149. i bet it makes a big difference.

the 2002 V8 s-type had very different suspension to the LS.
"they've changed quite a lot. The rear subframe is now rigidly mounted, and the rear roll centre is raised. Both ends have new suspension arms, aluminium at the front and mounted on a new subframe, and the optional CATS adaptive-damper suspension and ten per cent stiffer bodyshell further sharpen the responses. Springs, dampers, bushes and anti-roll bars are all recalibrated, and a DSC system which tames understeer as well as oversteer is standard on all versions. Those Lincoln-clone suspension parts are just a memory now."
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