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The 2008MY 159 will have a 3.2 FWD variant which will shave 100kg off the weight, should be fun!!!

Also the Ti is now a standard part of the 159 range and is available with the 1.9JTDm engine and with all options available to order. The spec has changed a little, electric seats now an option but should now be very competitive on contract hire.
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Thanks for the info. Interesting that AR have continued with the Ti as part of the range - it was meant to be a special edition. So does that mean Ti's will be open to discount?!?!?

I guess AR is following along the lines of Audi with their 'Sportline' range............
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The 2008MY 159 will have a 3.2 FWD variant which will shave 100kg off the weight, should be fun!!!

Also the Ti is now a standard part of the 159 range and is available with the 1.9JTDm engine and with all options available to order. The spec has changed a little, electric seats now an option but should now be very competitive on contract hire.
You forgot to mention the price increase Matthew, Met/Special Paint is extra too.

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Very well.....ah yes the price increase!!! But will be better on contract hire!
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So AR are now using the 159 Ti as a sort of veloce like the 156. I'm pleased to see the 3.2 is coming out in FWD. I wasn't too keen on the Q4.

Thanks for the info Matt.
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So AR are now using the 159 Ti as a sort of veloce like the 156. I'm pleased to see the 3.2 is coming out in FWD. I wasn't too keen on the Q4.

Thanks for the info Matt.
Yeah FWD is pleasing to see over Q4. Should be noticeably faster in the straights as more power will get through to the wheels. Probably will be the performer it should have been first time round, and will nicely see off the 2.4 JTDm now

I wonder if a Q2 diff is in the pipeline, I know the one that fits the old Alfa's doesn't fit the new 159/Brera/Spider range..

Will the dropping of Q4 on the 3.2 Brera and Spider become an option too, if so when?

Price increase sounds like good news for those that have bought one before, should help improve the already good residuals, unlike the case of the GT since the release of the 1.8 T.S.

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I wonder if a Q2 diff is in the pipeline, I know the one that fits the old Alfa's doesn't fit the new 159/Brera/Spider range..
Yes, Q2 would be great!
I am sure Alfa will try and extend it to their whole range in time.
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Why is everybody so happy with front wheel drive?I would not have bought another Alfa if it was not AWD or RWD.
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Why is everybody so happy with front wheel drive?I would not have bought another Alfa if it was not AWD or RWD.
I'd have RWD in preference, but that ain't possible in a 159.

As for FWD vs Q4, I'd have FWD, the other 159s drive and handle fine with it, its an exec saloon afterall. The car isn't that powerful to begin with and Q4 saps too much of it, better to have FWD and get more power on the road.
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Im not sure having a front wheel drive 3.2 is a good idea. Look at the GT, it torque steers like no mans business!
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The handling and safety of AWD and especially the159 3.2Q4 really makes the car a drivers car,on the fast windy stuff Golf GTI's have trouble keeping up,when you change the standard cats for hi flow sports cats the car is changed in such a way you would think it had lost 200kgs,it really becomes the car we all expected in the first place.
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The handling and safety of AWD and especially the159 3.2Q4 really makes the car a drivers car,on the fast windy stuff Golf GTI's have trouble keeping up,when you change the standard cats for hi flow sports cats the car is changed in such a way you would think it had lost 200kgs,it really becomes the car we all expected in the first place.
The FWD alfa's have superb handling. As much as I like it, I can wait for RWD.

Everyone I know that has driven the Q4 likes it, but would rather have just FWD. Ever driven a 147/156 GTA?
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Im not sure having a front wheel drive 3.2 is a good idea. Look at the GT, it torque steers like no mans business!
Which can 95% be corrected by official Alfa part, the Q2 differential, fitted with a new clutch for not much more than £500.

My 2.4 JTD 156 torque steers worse than my 3.2 156..
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The handling and safety of AWD and especially the159 3.2Q4 really makes the car a drivers car,on the fast windy stuff Golf GTI's have trouble keeping up,when you change the standard cats for hi flow sports cats the car is changed in such a way you would think it had lost 200kgs,it really becomes the car we all expected in the first place.
Just because the rear wheels on a FWD car aren't powered doesn't mean you have less grip. Lateral grip is still the same, so you're just as likely to slide off the road sideways whether its FWD or 4WD if you come round too fast. Sure, you can apply the power a bit earlier coming out of a corner with 4WD, but you need to cause more of it is lost between the flywheel and the wheels. About 33% drivetrain losses in 4WD as opposed to ~19% in FWD.

260bhp 4WD is ~174bhp at the wheels

250bhp FWD is ~ 202bhp at the wheels

In a car that is 200+ kg heavier, having less BHP @ the wheels is not good for performance.

I don't argue the 159 is superior to the 156 over bumpy, broken roads though, but this is more to do with chassis dynamics than anything else.


OA: They are superb handling cars aren't they? I can deal with them being not quite as smooth/refined..
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OA,I had a 156 2.0 TS it torque steered,bounced across the road on every bump and I sold after 30,000kms in disgust.I am sure a GTA is faster than a 159 but I bet you feel every bump and the steering wheel is pulled out of your hand when you accelerate around a tight corner with your foot flat to the floor in 2nd gear.I just find powerful FWD cars an unacceptable compromise .No I have not driven any GTA,maybe one day if I get the opportunity.
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The chasis on the 159 is so good I'm sure it could handle the 260bhp 3.2 without issue. Afterall. it can handle the 210bhp diesel with ease and that has bucketfulls of torque.
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when you accelerate around a tight corner with your foot flat to the floor in 2nd gear.
I would be in the nearest fence if I did that!
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Pud 237,plenty of wet weather in UK,I bet a FWD car can"t keep up with an AWD in the wet.What about horrible torque steer?Also I thought aFWD car lost 22-25% of power at the wheels.My 159 produced 174 at the wheels before the new cats and188hp after the new cats.The most power I have read about from a standard 156GTA is about 192 hp at the front wheels.

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Great news about the weight loss, hopefully the traction is maintained (I think a Q2 would help a great deal)

But a bit dissapointed the weight loss hasn't resulted from a trimming down of weight (through use of lightweight material).

I wish I could work in Alfa HQ, would quickly whip them into shape, and give an Alfisti's view on things.

I think it would be summarised as follows.... "RWD !!, range of engines (including some high powered units - all of which bark and make your spine tingle), usual design flare inside and out, lightweight construction (whilst not cutting down on quality), feedback through the wheel is essential, improved dealer service and a bit more reliability. ...oooh and cam CHAINS! not belts

E.g. If I am correct the old Nord engines used in the 1970 Giulia was an all alloy block...I think some of the later engines have reverted to lesser technologies.
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Pud 237,plenty of wet weather in UK,I bet a FWD car can"t keep up with an AWD in the wet.
Off the line an AWD will nearly always take off first. That's common knowledge. More traction.

I don't know how you got torque steer out of a 2.0 TS... lol
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The bark comes back when the restrictive euro3 emission compliant cats are replaced,the rest you may have to wait for a until the GTA 159 arrives with an AudiRS4 or BMW M3 price tag.
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OA,full power and a tight corner in 2nd gear.I always felt the front wheels were driving the car and found it disconcerting .I guess if power and grip is what appeals and you don't mind the FWD compromises it is a matter of what you like and in the end that is all that matters,however I don't think a lot of people who would prefer FWD over AWD have had a long fast drive on a windy road to really appreciate the difference.
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About 33% drivetrain losses in 4WD as opposed to ~19% in FWD.
This is why I reckon everyone should test drive the 2.2 as well as the 3.2 Q4 models of the 159 and the Brera. Look at the following based on the Brera figures (assuming the drive-train loss figures are accurate):

Model: 2.2 3.2Q4

Power at engine: 185bhp 250bhp
Transmission loss: 19% 33%
Power at wheels: 150 bhp 167.5bhp
Kerb Weight: 1470 bhp 1630
Power/Weight ratio: 0.1020 0.1028

There's nothing in it... until they bring out the 3.2 Brera without Q4, I think you're better off with a 2.2! Big fuel savings and better handling (lighter at the front).

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Got in there just in timke with my fully loaded Ti then!
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Errrhhh...I agree with Kanga; I'd have the Q4 over a 3.2FWD anytime
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