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Continuous interbreeding, with other species will bring about another cloned mongrel. Fast, comfortable, smooth, but without a race-bred personal identity imho. Boring old memory fart, that I am.
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Sounds like a good way of getting an Alfa 4x4 on the market.
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I think it is good in the sense that there is the potential for serious investment and development of the cars. It could be what jag needs to bring it forward.

The only thing which bothers me is that the eastern world tends to look at cars as a white good so they may try and knock out a high volume of cars with no real flair. As long as TATA only acts as a cash machine it should be a good thing.
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Auto car also ran articles on this very subject last week.

Apparently FIAT had also been in the early bidding for Jaguar - their US presence and RWD/Alu chassis technology fitting very well with FIAT's long term strategy. There is still the prospect of a FIAT/TATA link which could bear fruit for Alfa in the form of RWD platform which will take the fight to BMW in the premium exec sector.

Autocar also ran a Photoshop pic of "big RWD Alfa" but I personally was unconvinced by it. Looked like they'd jiggled with a maser gransport IMO.

Interesting stuff, though.
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Well the new Jag's chassis is supposed to be first class. I don't go much on the Toyota looks though. I'm sure Alfa could do a better styling job.

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Auto car also ran articles on this very subject last week.

Apparently FIAT had also been in the early bidding for Jaguar - their US presence and RWD/Alu chassis technology fitting very well with FIAT's long term strategy. There is still the prospect of a FIAT/TATA link which could bear fruit for Alfa in the form of RWD platform which will take the fight to BMW in the premium exec sector.

Autocar also ran a Photoshop pic of "big RWD Alfa" but I personally was unconvinced by it. Looked like they'd jiggled with a maser gransport IMO.

Interesting stuff, though.
Tata is set to be the more likely winner from what i've heard and the preffered option of Jaguar itself.
There has been the problem over recent years of companies coming for Jag pillaging it for all its worth then discarding it. It needs a little more stability and stop being passed around so much.
If Tata and Fiat formed an alliance it could be good for Jaguar.
Such as Jag providing a rear wheel drive chassis for the 169 etc. Also likely to work both ways maybe giving Jag a shove in the right direction with design and styling.

Although with the limited budget they have had the new XF looks to be a good looking car and a step in the right direction. IE - it doesn't look like a grandfather clock
 
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It didn't do Rover any good when they got tied up with Tata.. They brought out the CityRover, it didn't sell as it was too expensive and not a lot of good, and they went down the pan.
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Rover couldn't afford to develop a successor to the Metro so bought rights to sell the Tata Indica in the UK, but badged as a Rover. Alfa aren't intending to re-badge Indian manufactured cars, but use the RWD technology from Jaguar as a way of making the 169 financially viable. This is a whole different scenario and Alfa will maintain control of the design and manufacturing process. Rover's thinking was warped, because they were obviously in dire straits, if they ever believed that a car manufactured to Indian standards for Indian conditions could sell in an unmodified form in the UK.
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@Will: Fiat and Tata are cooperating on a number of fronts already (both in cars and trucks), so with the imminent purchase of Jaguar, it may make sense to deepen the relationship through Alfa.
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Wish they would just get a better name in SA, it's even worse than Alfa
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Jaguar or Tata?
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@Will: Fiat and Tata are cooperating on a number of fronts already (both in cars and trucks), so with the imminent purchase of Jaguar, it may make sense to deepen the relationship through Alfa.
Non vedo le ore di.....

Can only be good for all brands concerned. Perfect synergy.
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Personally I don't like the sound of it. I don't really see what qualities Tata can bring to the Fiat group. Jaguar also always seem to need rescuing. Isn't the X-type just a fancy Mondeo?
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If it works out the way the press are hoping, access to RWD platforms/alu technology etc then it can only be a good thing.


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Isn't the X-type just a fancy Mondeo?
Only in the way a 156 is a fancy Tipo...

They should have styled the X-type in a much more moden way; in fact I don't see why they can't give it a thorough visual overhaul inside and out and improve the build further, cause there's not much wrong with the dynamics.
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Personally I don't like the sound of it. I don't really see what qualities Tata can bring to the Fiat group. Jaguar also always seem to need rescuing. Isn't the X-type just a fancy Mondeo?
If Tata buy Jag they can bring an all alloy rear wheel drive chassis to Fiat group, which could be beneficial
 
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If it works out the way the press are hoping, access to RWD platforms/alu technology etc then it can only be a good thing.




Only in the way a 156 is a fancy Tipo...

They should have styled the X-type in a much more moden way; in fact I don't see why they can't give it a thorough visual overhaul inside and out and improve the build further, cause there's not much wrong with the dynamics.
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If Tata buy Jag they can bring an all alloy rear wheel drive chassis to Fiat group, which could be beneficial
But these are both very short term benefits. Ford pumped a fortune into Jaguar which turned out to be throwing good money after bad. Jaguar never became profitable and had to use Mondeo platforms and Ford components.

Ok they have an all alloy chassis, but how long before they start using the 159 chassis, Fiat Engines and gearboxes and just become takers rather than suppliers. Can you really see the next generation of Jags using Tata parts?
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the only business relationship TATA has with FIAT is the sharing of dealerships in india. fiat only had 3 dealerships in india and they couldnt afford to build a dealer network, so they use TATA dealerships to sell and service FIAT cars (and pay TATA for the privledge)

that doesnt mean a jag platform will be available to fiat.
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the only business relationship TATA has with FIAT is the sharing of dealerships in india. fiat only had 3 dealerships in india and they couldnt afford to build a dealer network, so they use TATA dealerships to sell and service FIAT cars (and pay TATA for the privledge)

that doesnt mean a jag platform will be available to fiat.
But it doesn't mean it won't either. Surely if it's good for both parties then it will happen.

jaguar benefited hugely from Ford ownership, to the extent that they are now real world premium offerings (as opposed to tarted up BL junk with a prestigious badge). It's a shame Ford is in such deep financial trouble that it has to sell it's PAG brands just when the whole thing was coming good.
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Chassis sharing between companies aint anything new !
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And now we know the reason for the Tata Nano....Every Jaguar is to come with a Nano in the boot rather than a spare tyre
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the only business relationship TATA has with FIAT is the sharing of dealerships in india. fiat only had 3 dealerships in india and they couldnt afford to build a dealer network, so they use TATA dealerships to sell and service FIAT cars (and pay TATA for the privledge)

that doesnt mean a jag platform will be available to fiat.
they have also engine plant India, new Tata indica will use JTD engines...
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Why is it that they can only ever think of names for cars that are absolute toss??

What the hell is the next Jag going to be called??
Names in a hat!!

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