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Help..............my timing belt om my 147 Twin Spark snapped at 36,000 miles. I have been told that some repairs are carried out by Alfa Romeo free of charge. If this has happened to you, can you let me know how to go about getting my beloved Alfa fixed by a garage? Any similar experiences, please?
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Help..............my timing belt om my 147 Twin Spark snapped at 36,000 miles. I have been told that some repairs are carried out by Alfa Romeo free of charge. If this has happened to you, can you let me know how to go about getting my beloved Alfa fixed by a garage? Any similar experiences, please?
Happened to me 2 years ago at less than 24k - if it's been serviced regularly they will redo your engine FOC - you have to be firm with them though! They will try it on..
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Sorry to hear of your cambelt failer. Hope you get it sorted ok
 
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How old is the Alfa?

Do you have a full service history?
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Yes, a full service history - but not with a AR dealership. Serviced with a private garage, but fully anf properly done! Thanks!
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Happened to me 2 years ago at less than 24k - if it's been serviced regularly they will redo your engine FOC - you have to be firm with them though! They will try it on..
Can you give more details, please. Was it fixed FOC and by whom? Thanks so much!
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Re: Help! Timing Belt on 147 snapped!

you might find it more difficult to claim with your car being privately serviced. it can be a right pain getting anything out of AFUK, they will try everything to blame you and not the car
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Re: Help! Timing Belt on 147 snapped!

also fungirl - was it 36000 miles or over it - because it should be done at the 36k service such is their known fragility, if you've let it run on then you'll find the claim side of things even harder.
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It snapped at 39,599 after a service by a non-Alfa garage. Has anyone had financial help from ARUK for snapped belts? And if so, how did you get it done? Willingly or - after pressure brought on them? Thanks for any help!
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Re: Help! Timing Belt on 147 snapped!

nuala, do you know if the non alfa changed the timing belt at 36K - the directive was recently changed, and updated instructions that belts need to be changed at 36k and not 72k was sent to all dealers, it wouldnt be commonly known by many non alfa garages - all im trying to say is if the service didnt include a belt change, you might fight claiming hard.

my belt killed my engine at 45k or so but my car has a full alfa service history and had the belts changed at 36k so they paid for my rebuild in full.



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Thanks for that, Paulmacs. No, the belt was not changed as the garage did not know to do it! But the car has a full service history. And.... surely a cambelt failure at 36k could be called a 'design fault'??? Thanks for your help!
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hi i have a 20 ts for sale i can fit it as well only done 16k miles
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hi i have a 20 ts for sale i can fit it as well only done 16k miles
are you the guy on the bay with all the alfa parts which have done 16k
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Thanks for that, Paulmacs. No, the belt was not changed as the garage did not know to do it! But the car has a full service history. And.... surely a cambelt failure at 36k could be called a 'design fault'??? Thanks for your help!
Its unlikely you will get any recompense I think. The advice on belt changes at 36K or 3 years has been out a while now, a year or so I think. The belt has got to 39.5K and snapped, it should have been changed, really you should have taken your car to a garage that knew how to do the belt change and got it done. Also, you never said how old the car was, the belts are only good for 3 years. Still, you must be gutted and I feel for you

Hopefully someone like Jayson will be able to fit a new engine for you at a decent price, with a new set of belts and tensioners.

Ital Autos advertise on eBay, they do loads of these engine replacements and I haven't heard a bad word about them:

Find alfa 156,147,166,gtv,spider, 2.0 tspark recon engine on eBay within, Alfa Romeo, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 21-Nov-07 22:11:56 GMT)

Also, Auto Lusso have started doing this too, the owner/manager Ned is a member on here:

Find Alfa Romeo 156,147,1.6,2.0 T-Spark Engine Replacment on eBay within, Alfa Romeo, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 15-Dec-07 09:55:30 GMT)

You can try Alfa UK, but I doubt they'll help you on this one as the service schedule hasn't been properly followed. Best of luck

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Thanks for that, Paulmacs. No, the belt was not changed as the garage did not know to do it! But the car has a full service history. And.... surely a cambelt failure at 36k could be called a 'design fault'??? Thanks for your help!
not really, as they say it needs changed at 36k as that is the life of the belt. its no secret that they break if not changed at 36k so I cant see them giving you a penny to be honest.

if the garage didnt know how to do it then your car does not have a full service history as the primary part of the 36k service is the cambelt change, so in effect that is what alfa will tell you
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Although you could try the "Even all the Alfa dealers didn't know that the cambelt interval has changed" tack ....


Mine was bought from and serviced by the same garage for three years and I know they have all my records on their database ... I still get "sales" blurb .... but I was never sent a letter telling me it changed.
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Having spoken to Alfa UK the other day, they will consider a in-kind payment if the car is under 5 years old and the belt has done less than 72k. As long as you act dumb as if you didn't know, after all, it's there issue changing the service interval, not yours.

The only sticking point is the history. If the car has had the FSH, as per the schedule supplied with the car and a reputable garage that used parts of reasonable quality then you should be ok (thanks to that handy bit of EU law from a while back.)

Just give them a call, be polite and see what happens, worst they can say is no!
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Thanks for all the help - they [AFUK] have said 'no' already.... that's why I am keen to know of anyone who has had if done for them FOC! The car was 4 years old, had done 35,9995 miles and had a 'full' service history done by a private - non AF - garage. So, if you have had it done FOC by AFUK or had financial help from them for the same problem.............please post it for me! Thanks again, Alfa lovers. I appreciate it!
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thats ridiculous, you are entitled by law to be able to have the car serviced elsewhere and I'm sure it is to the schedule provided with the vehicle (I'm probably wrong here so thats the problem I guess.) It has failed before the original service interval and it is a car manufactured before the advisory so they should at least be looking to cover some of the costs.

Might be worth contacting the citizens advise bureau and explaining to them. Show them the original schedule, all the receipts for work done on the car to prove its to that schedule. Then show them the advisory and when it was issued and see what they say. They might at least be able to give you advise as to how to go about convincing alfa, or if there are any legal arguments surrounding the sale of goods act and the car not being fit for purpose, as per the original schedule.

Worth a shot?
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Hi All,
What is the latest with your engine?, did you any luck with ARUK? My timing belt on my 2.0 went yesterday at 36069 miles My 147 is on a 04 plate and has a full service history, although the last 2 were completed by non franchise garages using Alfa parts. I spoke to ARUK this morning and said if I take the car to a dealership for investigation/repair they would "probably" make some form of goodwill payment towards cost of repair. Having spoken to the AR garage they claim that they sometimes pay around 50% of the final bill. I have also spoken to consumer direct who suggest I could try and claim the cost of the dealer (not an Alfa franchise) who I bought the car from 18 months ago, under the Sales of Goods Act for not being "of reasonable durability"
Any thoughts/advice would be appreciated
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You have a reasonable chance jdh.

On an 04 with 36K on it though - when was it last serviced?

At the 12 and 24K service the belts are not worked on anyway.
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Hi cj
It was last serviced 2 months ago by a local garage and they were unaware (as I was!) to the revised frequency of the timing belt change,
Wish I had paid more attention to this forum now!
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As this issue comes up again and again is it worth having a sticky at the top with "CHANGE TIMING BELTS (AND VARIATOR) EVERY 36K OR 3 YEARS"?
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Thanks for all your help. I am now quietly pursuing the process of trting to get some sort of compensation fot the £1500 bill to repair the Alfa engine. And ChrisNolan, have you any details of that handy piece of EU law a few years' back that you mentioned?? Any info would be much appreciated in my battle to get some compensation. Thanks again!
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