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156 2.0 engine help, pistons

hello, i have had someone look at my alfa engine, they have took it to bits to tell me one of my pistons have broke, therefore meaning i need a new pistons, piston rings and a crankshaft, plus fixings, they are trying to charge me 1500 pounds for this. Is this right? also am i able to use 2nd hand parts to fix this problem or . . . . any help is muchly appreciated

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Re: 156 2.0 engine help, pistons

get a block from a scrapyard and fit it to your car, or even a whole engine to save you some more money.

£1500 is a disgrace, a scrapyard engine will cost you £200-250, fitting will be £150-200, get plenty of quotes and you'll save a fortune.

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Depends where you are and who is doing the work ... removal of engine, strip down, replacement of parts (buy NEW georgeb2008! except crank which might be salvageable with a regrind), rebuild and refit is at least £1500 down here and that's probably an Alfa specialist ... mine cost best part of £2K in 2003 but that included a new rad.

You will need at least one piston, new rings on all 4 cylinders, main and big-end bearing shells, possibly a conrod or two, a crank regrind and I'd put a new oil pump in while it's all out. Have the bores been damaged by the broken piston? That's a rebore so all the pistons and rings will have to be changed to be upsized. Then there's all the gaskets and new belts ... possibly a new clutch ... it all adds up!

An Alfa recon short engine (no head, etc) is over £3k plus labour ...

Stick a 2nd-hand engine in without checking and you could be asking for the same trouble sooner rather than later ... unless you plan to get shot very quickly! Don't forget the engine number will be different and you have to advise the DVLA, etc.

ItalAutos might be worth a call ...

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i only paid 1500 for my car so am not willing to spend much on it even tho i am in love with it, If i break it will i get much for it, it has a new selespeed pump, and a replaced actcutator, and the head is only 20,000 miles old,

is it worth fixing or breaking and putting money towards a new one?
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An Alfa recon short engine (no head, etc) is over £3k plus labour ...
It will be a full engine minus some of the ancillaries.
For about £2200 plus labour.


Big difference between sticking in an unknown s/h scrap engine for a couple of hundred and rebuilding your existing engine.

It depends on how much you want to spend, but personally I wouldn't use a s/h scrap engine.
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Re: 156 2.0 engine help, pistons

if you do use a s/h engine you would still be strongly advised to rebuild it anyway... so make the decision, either get a new engine or rebuild what you have or scrap the car. theres a company that does replacement engines for under 1k (swap basis) but i cant at this moment remember where or who they are. maybe another member knows who im on about and can advise???
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Stand corrected DavidC: prices must have come down since 2003 .. or I was badly misinformed ... had mine rebuilt in the end ..

Marko: Are you thinking about ItalAutos .. on ebay .. but they are over £1K. Might be others ...
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Stand corrected DavidC: prices must have come down since 2003 .. or I was badly misinformed ... had mine rebuilt in the end ..
Maybe a bit of markup added.

I don't have a 2003 price, but a new engine (not exchange) was £3100 in 2005 and isn't far off that now.

Obviously + labour.


Edit: just checked the 2005 price of a Euro3 2.0TS (the above was Euro2 2.0TS) and the Euro3 was listed at £5000 for some reason...

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Stick a 2nd-hand engine in without checking and you could be asking for the same trouble sooner rather than later ... unless you plan to get shot very quickly! Don't forget the engine number will be different and you have to advise the DVLA, etc.
its no different or more risky than buying a second hand car. you get a 28day warranty from most places, but thats little consolation once its fitted. all i do when collecting an engine is a compression test (take a good battery with you). good even compression suggests a usable heathly engine. obviously do the full timing belt job and a thorough service, then you're set to go. notifying an engine number change is free so thats not a problem.

on a £1500 car you cant justify spending more than £400-500.
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WOW THERE PEDRO!!!!

Ital Motors chesterfield 1150 full recon fitted price and they collect the [email protected] if you need more info
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WOW THERE PEDRO!!!!

Ital Motors chesterfield 1150 full recon fitted price and they collect the [email protected] if you need more info
as above, full recon engine, £1150, including belt change, variator and tensioner is £50 extra, all fluids/consumables included and 6 month warranty.
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Has anyone had one of Ital Autos engines?

I've seen them promoted widely on here but not seen a post from anyone who's bought one
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Pretty sure aziraphale had his changed there ...
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For £1150 fully fitted inc a full belt job, you wonder how much "reconditioning" has actually gone into the engine.
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I watched my engine rebuild progress and with an new rad (which was very easy to change with no engine in place) mine came to just over £2K! That was new bearing shells, crank regrind, piston rings, gaskets, oil pump and belts, and labour. Unless the labour costs are cheaper in that part of the world ...

Now soon due a cambelt change again ....
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Re: 156 2.0 engine help, pistons

Some interesting comments........

Don't know where Jug finds his engines....at £200 - £250 I would expect them to be as David C says "scrap".....but I sell used engines for around £600 - £700, depending on mileage. As has been said, its no more risky than buying a second-hand car - admittedly more risky than spending £2K on a rebuild, but you pays your money.......and makes your choice

In this case, with a Selespeed, you might be as well breaking it and buying something else altogether.......
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I don't agree with this principle of the car costs x amount of money and hence i cannot spend more than x on it. Thats in my opinion is wrong way to look at things. Your car costs 1500 if you scrap it you will get back maybe 1000 at best after paying all the advertising etc if you add your labour as well you will gain nothing back. Then you will buy another one for 1500ish pounds that you will know nothing about its real history and you might end up in square 1 again. While you could spend whatever needed and have a very good car that will serve you for another 4-5 years with no problems. The devil you know is always better.
 
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The devil you know is always better.
thats why mine was repaired and not dumped on seller's doorstep/broken.
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