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Prepurchase Inspection - Engine Undertray and Transmission Oil Leak

I am still debating the purchase of this 2000 Spider 2.0 ts. We had it on the lift yesterday, minor rust here and there, nothing to worry about I guess, but the engine under tray was pretty much shot, I just can't believe how low this car is

Any way, there appeared to be a transmission oil leak coming from some where, as this is a manual transmission, I am less worried. Time for a full inspection at the Alfa Romeo dealership!

As for the oil change, the darn thing needed a special key for the plug, which of course was not available at the quick oil change station

How worried should I be? Does it cost a bundle to change the engine under tray? The gas station attendant could not take it off, not his fault, some screws/nuts where not original, and one in particular, the at the rear left of the undertray, could not be unscrewed, there was no way to reach from behind and hold the nut!!! In the end they gave up and called it a day!!!!

Will get her in at the dealer, they are the only guys I would trust with a full inspection because I am sure they would want to maximize their profits.

Thanks for your input... Any one change their engine under tray? Why does the car need such a huge piece of plastic?
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Re: Prepurchase Inspection - Engine Undertray and Transmission Oil Leak

The undertray keeps the engine bay really nice and clean from road dirt..!

It also usually does not survive too many speed ramps.. (that's why it's plastic, to bend easily..?)

I had no undertray on my GTV, and when I went to change it for the Spider I was amazed at how spotless the engine was compared to my grubby looking yolk..! Looks great having a sparkling clean engine cover when you open the bonnet...
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You can always get an aluminium undertray from Autodelta, they don't sag like the plastic ones. They do make a touch more noise if you happen to come across a particulalry nasty speed bump though...
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Agree with that Cibo:
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Does anyone know what the expected replacement cost is? Problem here is that we are very limited in our choices and I would have to go to the stealership for replacement. It should not be very much though, it is made out of plastic, I am always wrong when it comes to the price of parts, and I have ZERO EXPERIENCE in Italian car parts too
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When I got mine done, the dealers price for the plastic one was £105 + fitting, and the aluminium one from Autodelta was only about £20 more plus delivery and fitting.
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What about the transmission oil leak on a 5 speed manual? Is this a big concern? It should not be happening in the first place. I assume that it is a minor leak, however, will fixing it require an "engine removal" type of job? Thank you.
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Re: Prepurchase Inspection - Engine Undertray and Transmission Oil Leak

Mine had a transmission leak - specialist fixed it for about £30 and half hours labour, shouldnt be a problem at all.

My undertray was destroyed a long time ago - not worth the money to replace IMHO.
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Re: Prepurchase Inspection - Engine Undertray and Transmission Oil Leak

Don't think Autodelta do an under tray for the GTV/Spider. If they do correct me as I would like one too. The one on my GTV is a smaller tray than indicated in parts manuals and has been from new. It does not need to be detached for oil changes but covers under the air filter housing.
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Nope, the one on this 2000 Spider I am looking at goes all the way back to the transmission, one cannot change the oil without taking it off, STUPID DESIGN AT IT'S BEST! At least the cost of replacement does not appear to be prohibitive; however, you never know in Dubai. As for the transmission oil, thanks for the encouraging words In a few days, the full inspection at the dealer will hopefully reveal all....

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Don't think Autodelta do an under tray for the GTV/Spider. If they do correct me as I would like one too. The one on my GTV is a smaller tray than indicated in parts manuals and has been from new. It does not need to be detached for oil changes but covers under the air filter housing.
Looks like you're right, they only do the aluminium undertrays for the 147, the 156 and the GT.
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Hi Guy's

sorry to jump in, but would any of you chap's be interested in a metal undertray.as this has got me thinking. my gtv hasnt got an undertray.so im going to making one.let me know ok. will work out costs.as i dont work for nothing.but it wont be £90.which is what alfa charge mite be able to make a hatch for the oil change aswell.but will have to look into that.

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sorry to jump in, but would any of you chap's be interested in a metal undertray.as this has got me thinking. my gtv hasnt got an undertray.so im going to making one.let me know ok. will work out costs.as i dont work for nothing.but it wont be £90.which is what alfa charge mite be able to make a hatch for the oil change aswell.but will have to look into that.

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Put me down for one. Thanks. By the way did you know that Margate is twinned with Yalta in the Crimea? Just read that in Michael Palin's latest book!

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Hi Guy's

sorry to jump in, but would any of you chap's be interested in a metal undertray.as this has got me thinking. my gtv hasnt got an undertray.so im going to making one.let me know ok. will work out costs.as i dont work for nothing.but it wont be £90.which is what alfa charge mite be able to make a hatch for the oil change aswell.but will have to look into that.

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I'm interested too, my engine bay is decidedly grubby and the winter hasnt started yet!

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Re: Prepurchase Inspection - Engine Undertray and Transmission Oil Leak

The rear captive nuts always come loose - just pull the tray down and refix with cable ties. It is worth keeping as said - it keeps the engine bay really clean - there is no comparison with our 147 (no tray and grubby) and the GTV ( tray and spotless).

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Put me down for one. Thanks. By the way did you know that Margate is twinned with Yalta in the Crimea? Just read that in Michael Palin's latest book!
no i didnt know that

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I'm interested too, my engine bay is decidedly grubby and the winter hasnt started yet!

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The rear captive nuts always come loose - just pull the tray down and refix with cable ties. It is worth keeping as said - it keeps the engine bay really clean - there is no comparison with our 147 (no tray and grubby) and the GTV ( tray and spotless).

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Ok chaps i will have a good look today.i should be able to do a kit with all fixing with the tray.will keep you guys posted.

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Still at the dealership, spoke to the service guy who DID NOT give me a positive vibe!!! When I asked how good/bad, he said the car is "still usable", not encouraging at all. I will not pass on it if I only have to shell out another US $1,000 from my own pocket on top of the US $2,000 I had budgeted, anything above that would be very hard to justify and I would have to go with ordering a new Boxter at a later stage More updates as soon as I receive the dreaded quote!!
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Off you go then John boy.: By the way, where have you been of late? I've missed your posts, but guessed you are very busy work wise? Good luck with the under tray project. Only had a few chats with you previously, but I reckon you are the sort of guy to get there.: Keep us updated on progress, mate.:
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Off you go then John boy.: By the way, where have you been of late? I've missed your posts, but guessed you are very busy work wise? Good luck with the under tray project. Only had a few chats with you previously, but I reckon you are the sort of guy to get there.: Keep us updated on progress, mate.:

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not busy at work, just home.with three alfa's what can i say. lots of projects for all of them. helps working for an engineering company.
sorted the metal for the undertray.just need to make a template first.
off to the garage in a minute to fit a lightened pulley on the GTV.hope its a quick jobthe search for more power continues. then i can have a look at the undertray quickly,as im spraying a side of a van in there tomorrow.
then i can get back on track with it
i will post a pick when it's done ok guy's
great to here from you ZF

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Still at the dealership, spoke to the service guy who DID NOT give me a positive vibe!!! When I asked how good/bad, he said the car is "still usable", not encouraging at all. I will not pass on it if I only have to shell out another US $1,000 from my own pocket on top of the US $2,000 I had budgeted, anything above that would be very hard to justify and I would have to go with ordering a new Boxter at a later stage More updates as soon as I receive the dreaded quote!!
If you are not 100% happy walk away, there are plenty of good ones about - not worth the risk!

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Last inspection report from the dealer: it needs maintenance work worth 800-900 pounds, includes the clutch change (10 labor hours), but EXCLUDES the cam belt change! The dealer did not mention anything about the nearly destroyed undertray, did not include the oil service change or the coolant, the radiator only has water in it right now Not many of these cars around here in Dubai, I still think it can be salvaged if the seller can share some of the cost of this latest estimate. This will bring him down nearly 30% from his asking price, not my problem I say, the car should have been maintained in good condition, and he has not kept up with that. It appears that he had "misplaced" all of his service records, very iffy if you ask me. If he accepts the offer, I promise that I will bring it up to scratch and keep it that way, it is so different from those boring Beemers, Porsches and Benzes that literally litter the streets of Dubai!

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Just waiting for the guy to come down in price, if not, it is back to looking or ordering a Porsche BoxterS, biggest problem is how common they are here Otherwise it would have to be another Benz, I just sold my 350SLK earlier this year, I thought it was a great drive, but I just could not live with the looks I guess I should have thought more about it instead of rushing in to the dealer with my cheque book
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It would prob be cheaper in the long run to ship a good one from Europe rather than buy an Alfa that hasnt been looked after. I'm sure there are plenty of willing volunteers willing to drive it for you if you dont fancy a container!!

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