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GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

ARGHHHHHHH!!!! Driving my 2004 48,000 miles 1.9JTD GT on Sunday night when lost all power and engine died! Just had a call from my local Alfa specialist to tell me that what was being reported as a sensor failure has actually been caused by a broken timing belt!!! As he said, he's never heard of a belt failure on a diesel engine with that mileage. I have written an e-mail to one of the top guys in Alfa who I have dealt with before asking for some sort of help, (you just never know!!). My garage owner (Mclennens of Loanhead - top guys to look after your Alfa) is going to get the belt and tension kit and fit it. He thinks that there may be a chance there's no damage, (we can only pray, HARD). Anyone else had this happen, and what sort of cost to replace or repair engine?? Please help me recover and tell me good cheery things.
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Hmm.. Car still under warranty? Got full service history? If you have either of those, Alfa will help. Even if the car is out of warranty, your belt is well within its lifespan and so MUST have a manufacturing defect..
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Its very rare on the diesel engine, so that might count on your favour. It isn't going to open the floodgates to loads of claims. The diesel cambelt change is 72k still so you should have a good case. Best of luck
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yikes! - good luck with that - major complaint to alfa i reckon
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Been in touch with Alfa Cust Svcs who have said that the listed interval of 72,000 miles is in the process of being changed to 36,000!!!!!!!! But as this information is not general knowledge yet and because I was unaware of this they have created a case and so should help out. I also contacted the senior contact I have in Alfa Scotland and he has advised that the car should be taken to a franchised dealership. This will allow them to investigate the cause (again has NEVER heard of a diesel timing belt going) and rather than make a part payment to cost if left in my garage of choice, will look better for any payments made and maybe even full payment of costs!! Here's hoping. Will keep you up to date.
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Unlucky mate, thanks for the info, hope it gets sorted out
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Are you sure they are bringing the JTD belt change interval down to 36,000? That would not be good for business. And also, why? Most JTDs have gone the full 72K, obviously a few belts will always break due to manufacturing defaults, which is probably what happened in your case Slide.

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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Maybe they've had a few failures and are worried. Yes I'm as sure as they are to tell me that. Give them a call if you want clarification.
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Car is being taken to Alfa Edinburgh tomorrow. Guy called and told me that he would do everything he could to get it sorted and come to some type of agreement after being contacted by someone in Alfa UK. Have been given a time limit of 2 weeks which isn't bad considering that the franchise isn't officially opening for another 2 weeks. I have also been promised constant updates. Question that surely someone can answer - I have heard that on the diesel engine, if a timing belt fails, the valves and pistons should be ok because the rocker will break first!! Any one back this up?
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Thats seriously bad, mines on 27k, so dont want cambelt at next service. My service centre has a flier up that states all petrol models should be at 36k but no mention of the jtd. Asked service rep and he said definately just petrol. Although as slide71 said this info not in the public domain yet. Fingers crossedalfa service are just dodging. JTD been around forever and never heard of cambelt being a problem. Hope all is resolved slide??
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Alfiefreak, I'm sure the lady on the phone, whatever she said about belt changes for JTDs was to make slide71 feel better, it can't be policy. Like you said, these JTD engines have been around forever (since 1997) and belt failures have never been anything other than a rare occurence before 72K.
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Hey Alfiefreak and Pud237. If you want to make damn sure that this isn't the case, and that the guy on the phone was just trying to make me feel better; give Alfa Customer Services a call and ask them. How ironic if your belt goes at say 39,000 or more? You'll be in the same position as me!! That is what I was told. It may well be that the guy at customer services has got it wrong (Wouldn't really be a surprise now would it) and he's told me a complete untruth, but I can only do you guy's a favour and pass on the info. It's up to you what you do with that info.
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Hi just a word have had a couple of these belts go, the cause has been the water pump seizing up and caused the belt to stretch and snap, your information on damage is correct they normally just snap the rockers. The damage is normally just the rockers but to be on the safe side i would relace all hydraulic tappets and rockers new belt and tensioner of cause, i have heard on the grapevine that the service intervals are coming down to the same mileage as petrol engines!!!
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Hi Slide 71,I have also had the same problem on my 04 1.9 Diesal GT,It happened at the same sort of mileage, the work was done at my local Alfa Dealer (under warranty)having been towed in by the AA,Luckily the Diesal engines are classed as safe engines,The belt broke because of the seized water pump problem,I must say now its been repaired it drives even better and i've got an even bigger on my face
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Didn't know the diesels are classed as safe engines... Better burn some candles if they are, cause your angels delivered then...
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Hi there are not a safe engine but the rockers a designed to break in the event off a possible belt failure which does happen. Top camhousing off new rockers and dry******** and belt and tensioner and anything else needed peice of P****s>
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Hey howmuch and lunnie thanks for the info and similar tales of woe, or now woe with a possible happy ending! I really could do without this just now. In middle of moving house and this is a real pain.
If it is just the rockers then hopefully Alfa will do good and pay for the lot!!
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Slide71, I've had all belts and tensioners done in the last 10k anyway so service interval doesn't really bother me at the moment. I do enough milage to need a belt every three years, and I definitely reckon its age that does the damage more than milage. Us high milers, sitting at a constant speed, there is very little strain on the belt. Its starting the car, especially in winter when the belt might be almost frozen that is going to cause damage, specfically the constant cooling down and heating up that goes on over a wide temperature range in the winter months.

If it is waterpump problems that are causing the belts to go, I guess it doesn't matter how old the belt is, if the water pump seizes it'll snap a belt new or old.
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Hi slide, not doubting what you were told, just in disbelief at alfa, again!! Made some phone calls today to try and get definitive answers:- shambolic results as one would expect from alfa:-

Call 1:- to alfacare uk. no change still 72K, advise double check with alfa international customer care via fiat group uk.
Call 2 :- alfa international customer care. No change to mileage but unsure about age of belt for change. He advised check with my service agent.
Call 3 :- dealer 1, advised latest is 72K but every 36 months!?!
Call 4 :- dealer 2, advised 72K and every 5 years.

So as you can see no one at Alfa really know what the ****** is going on until what happens to slide then it wil be duck at out first opportunity and proberbly "should have had it done at every 10 miles or every trip to the petrol station or whatever comes first" Excuss my sinicism, but fed up with alfas whole approach to their customers. Must go and drive the car now to remind myself why we all put up with this disfunctional, uncaring, unorganised company. Rant over, let me know how you get on slide best of luck mate. AF

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Had Alfa Customer Services on the phone to me today and very helpful they were too! Even though the warranty ended in March the guy told me hat he was confident that Alfa would pay the majority of costs (Waheyy!!) We had a good talk and he again said that this was a very rare situation. I asked him again re: the 36000 mile change and he did say that things could be changing, not because they have a problem with them but just to bring all models in line with each other. Again this could be hot air being expelled from his oral?!?!?
Anyway, after his call I feel in a much better situation, he even said that if I did have costs to pay, these would be explained and if I felt that they were excessive I could dispute them!! He also admitted that Alfa have failed terribly in the past but they were doing everything they could to regain customer confidence. We after all are thier business! My car was taken to the dealership today so should start getting word back next week. Hopefully it is the rockers which have been damaged and no valve/piston damage. I'll let you know...
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

Phone Vauxhall, they must have more of these engines in the UK than Alfa,see what they say. You will have to pretend you got a Vectra though
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great news slide! keep us posted. It sounds like it isnt policy yet then.
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Does anyone know what sort of price I can expect trading in my GT? At the age and milage I'm expecting £10,000 anyway!! Anyone any ideas?
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Re: GT 1.9 JTD Timing belt failure

seen a good 3 or four diesels of that age doing belts, water pump seizing up is the main culprate. what alfa in edinburgh is it going to?
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The new Western in Edinburgh. Not open officially for another couple of weeks but I have the contact details of the main Customer Services Manager for Scotland due to issues with those f*ckwits Arnold Clark (I'm sure you understand what I mean). He spoke to the guy at Western and arranged to get it taken in there because he knew I refused to let AC anywhere near it!!
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