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Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

My 156 1.9JTDm ai due its 36,000 mile service soon.

The car is a 54 plate . I know the cambelt isn't due until 72 K I think.

Do I change it early ??
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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

Cambelt change is 36k or 3 years, whichever is sooner. You're exactly ready for one, so get it done!

Woops, didn't notice you were a diesel. Not sure if the diesel should be changed early or not. 72k sounds a lot, but you're certainly going to be okay for a few more thousand miles.
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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

Cambelt does not need changing, but that said it is nice to know it has been done, one less thing to think about.

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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

Hi talking about that,i cant tell if my cambelt has been done or not didnt see anything about it in the so called service history, so how can i tell if its been done previously, i didnt know about the cam belt issue till after i bought the car
And if i need it doing where do you all think is the best place to get a cam belt and tensioner kit?? and what price must i expect to pay.

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Cam belt failure on the diesels is far less common than on the TS ..which must be done at 36. Whilst nothing is guaranteed you are probably OK to 55-60k miles, as long as you have no whirring whining noises from bearings/water pump/tensioner.

Just had my 2.4 serviced at 50k and the advice from our independent was 60k.

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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

Thanks for that.

Cheaper 36K service it is then.
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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

iv got my 72k service next tuesday and the car has never had a cam belt change, the car is starting to sound very noisy on start up, is that when its getting worn??
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ASHYMCFC Nice to see another Alfa driving Man City Supporter.

Ref your car Noisy I would imagine is not good.

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iv got my 72k service next tuesday and the car has never had a cam belt change, the car is starting to sound very noisy on start up, is that when its getting worn??
i have the same mileage as you and my 156 is very noisy starting from cold as well, i hope someone will answer you soon almost sounds like a diesel when cold but goes after a couple of miles nice and quiet when warmed though.
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i have the same mileage as you and my 156 is very noisy starting from cold as well, i hope someone will answer you soon almost sounds like a diesel when cold but goes after a couple of miles nice and quiet when warmed though.
Ketch- I assume your car is a 1.6 TS. Alfa recommned that you change the belt at 36k. If you go beyond 40k you're taking a big risk.
ASHYMCFC has a diesel so different rules apply...is the 1.9JTDm chain or belt driven?
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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

Diesel sound, the guys who know say variator replacement.: David C is one who knows, think he said the diesels are belt, some of the newer petrols are now chains.:
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Diesel sound, the guys who know say variator replacement.: David C is one who knows, think he said the diesels are belt, some of the newer petrols are now chains.:
JTS are chain. TS are belt.

If you're getting the belt changed then it's a simple job to change the variator at the same time.

Now I know JTDm is a belt as well.
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JTS are chain. TS are belt.
Only the new 1.9 and 2.2 JTS are chain.

The TSpark and JTS belt change is 36k or 3 years whichever is sooner. This is revised from 72k/5 years, which very few cars seem to have ever made it to.

The diesel sound at start up is a worn variator. As belts have to be changed in order to change this, you might as well get all done at the same time. However, AFAIK a worn variator won't have too much ill effect other than noise until it's really knackered.
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How much are these variators??
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Around £90 I believe.
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Re: Cam Belt or not. Opinions please

£90 quid and they wont cost anything in Labour as they are easy as pie to change once the engine is opened up for the cambelt change.

Speaking to a specialist other day and we have never heard of a JTDm belt going before 60K....

On the subject I am currently a very happy customer of The Alfa Workshop in Royston. Arrived at 8.30 this Tuesday morning. The guys got to work straight away. 2 Hours later I'm driving away after paying a nice sum of £305 for a cambelt and variator change. Plus a diagnostic on my dodgy speedo.

Brill service. Top guys... and it's nice to have my 156 parked up next to a Montreal and a 1600 in the servicing bay. Made me feel special.
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Does anyone know when I should get the cambelt done on a V6, the car is 5 years old in July but only has 33k on the clock. Is it possible to have a visual inspection to see what condition it's in. I asked Desire Alfa in Ipswich for a price and I nearly fell over when he quoted me £300 more than £120 more than the clutch kit he had just looked up.

The cambelt went on my Sierra whilst driving around town a few years ago. I got a taxi to the local Halfords then home to pick up a socket set and back to the car again, about £20 including belt and fitted it at the side of the road. Back on the road in under an hour. What's happened
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Does anyone know when I should get the cambelt done on a V6, the car is 5 years old in July but only has 33k on the clock. Is it possible to have a visual inspection to see what condition it's in. I asked Desire Alfa in Ipswich for a price and I nearly fell over when he quoted me 300 more than 120 more than the clutch kit he had just looked up.
Realisticly you need to get it done. I reckon the cold winters do as much damage as the milage.

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The cambelt went on my Sierra whilst driving around town a few years ago. I got a taxi to the local Halfords then home to pick up a socket set and back to the car again, about 20 including belt and fitted it at the side of the road. Back on the road in under an hour. What's happened
You sure it wasn't the fan belt that went? When these Alfa engines shed cambelts, pistons touch valves, bending them and often doing untold damage to the bottom end of the engine. In a V6, if your cambelt goes, you'll be looking at over 1,500 to get it put right, 2,000 wouldn't suprise me.

At the end of the day, just because you can buy a performance/luxury car like an Alfa on a shoestring these days it doesn't mean they are cheap to maintain. This was a lesson I learnt after buying the car, knowing what I know now I probably wouldn't have bothered..
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iv got my 72k service next tuesday and the car has never had a cam belt change ..
On a Twin Spark?

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similar story with my ts, first cam belt change at 65k, looked like new when it came off. Still better safe than sorry, was only 150 quid with new fan belt, and broken plastic thingy. 35k later thinking of getting it changed in the next year. Compared to 'doing' your engine, it's a no brainer. Sure my manual has first belt change scheduled at about 70k miles though.
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Does anyone know when I should get the cambelt done on a V6, the car is 5 years old in July but only has 33k on the clock. Is it possible to have a visual inspection to see what condition it's in. I asked Desire Alfa in Ipswich for a price and I nearly fell over when he quoted me 300 more than 120 more than the clutch kit he had just looked up.
Definitely get it done. Official line is 72k or 5 years, whichever is sooner, but I reckon it should be done at 4 years or 50-60k. I've just both 164s V6 belts changed at 4 years, one had done lots of miles, one had hardly done any and both belts were in a pretty sorry state.
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Its impossible to 'visually' check the condition of a belt with any great confidence. If its obviously raggy looking then..fair enough, but even if it looks pristine there is fatigue wear on the belt teeth that is invisible. In addition it often the bearings on the rollers/tensioners that have had enough of operating in a hot dirty environment. Plastics degrade and disintegrate (as in water pumps with plastic impellers), bearings start picking up, or their internal lubrication runs out making them noisy.

There are oh so many reasons to be conservative about belt change intervals. Its not cheap, but broken engine is more.

And yes..I'm afraid 'high maintainance' is the price of driving a nice Italian car, and no..its not cheap and never has been.

So why do we do it?

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What price am i looking at for a cambelt ,variator, tensioner& what ever else i need." HOW MUCH" & where the best place to get it all from , i have a 2002 2.4 jtd.i

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I paid what seems an average price of £400 for the following....

Cambelt, All cambelt tensioners, Auxilliary belt, Auxilliary tensioner and labour on an 03, 2.4 JTD

Your car is a diesel so does not have the variator.

Buying the parts for a DIY job...

Cambelt kit with tensioners, about £100-120
Auxilliary tensioner about £120
Auxilliary belt about £10-20
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Cheers,is that price from alfa? do i need all of that?
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