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156 Cam Belt Problem

My 156 is just three years old and has done 28,000 miles. At the three year service I was told by the dealer that the cam belt tensioners have reached the limit of adjustment and had to be changed, meaning the cam belts had to be replaced as well. This work could not be done under warranty as the belt had not failed.

I had the work done at a cost of 505 and contacted Alfa to see if they would make a contribution to the cost. After five weeks of being pushed from pillar to post I finally received a call from an unsympathetic lady whose view is that this is a service item and it's tough that it has had to be replaced.

My service book says that at three years/36,000 miles the belt should be visually checked, nothing more. It says nothing about adjusting it. I have had a comment from a friend that a cam belt shouldn't need to be adjusted and that the dealer was looking for work.

I know cam belts are a problem on the 156 but mine is a fairly late model, October 2003 and I would have thought that a known fault would have been rectified six years into the models life.

I would appreciate view on this subject. At the moment I feel I have been taken for a bit of a mug.
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

They changed the service schedule after the book was released mainly due to some peoples belts snapping at around 40-60k when they should last to 72k!. The only way they reemburse you is if your are unaware of the change in service schedule and the belt snaps and destroys your head before 72k. Well its done now you have peace of mind . Next time it needs doing take it to an Independant Alfa specialist and not a dealer as they will not rape you as much!.
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

sounds dodgy to me - i know dealers are now quite often using the fear of cam belt breaks (not just on alfas) to justify high service costs....i think dealers now make so little on car sales that they rely on the servicing.

The tensioners on the twin sparks don't need adjusting anyway - once they are set that's it as far as i know....
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

If its 3 years old then the belt needs to be changed - as mentioned they have failed on 1000's of cars before the original scheduled change and I wouldn't take the chance to run it for much longer than 3 years.

You might not like the cost but at least it is done now and you have peace of mind for the next 3 years.
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Most (80%) of the belt issues are broken tensioners and not broken belts ! the 159 has chain driven distribution (they learn , but it takes time) my old 155 TS (alu engine !) had chaindriven distr. whoever decided to go for belts should be belted ...
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Yeah, the others are right. The belts/tensioners should be replaced every three years or 36k as a matter of course.

The same change has just cost me £529 because I needed a new variator, too. The 'visual check' is a completely pointless gesture, they need to be changed, period.
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Thanks to everyone who has replied. General consensus that three years is about right surprises me but there you go. 900+ for a three year service! Next question, anyone know of a reliable independent Alfa specialist in the Croydon area? I have heard some adverse comment about Kinghams on other sites.
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Jonwood79 - Was £529 at a main dealer and did that include the £36k service?

I need belts and variator on my 147. Although mine has done 43k it is under warranty until March.
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

Original post sounds a bit odd. As said earlier, the tensioner is spring-loaded. You set it with their special tool and it just sits there and does its thing. I can't envisage the situation whereby they would design a tensioner that didn't have a fair bit more movement in it than the maximum amount of stretch that they'd ever expect from the belt!
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

If you have a cooperative dealer you can get the variator replaced under warranty (provided you still have a full warranty), that job will also include new belts & tensioners.
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Jonwood79 - Was 529 at a main dealer and did that include the 36k service?

I need belts and variator on my 147. Although mine has done 43k it is under warranty until March.
No, it was at Alfa Aid (independent) in Maidenhead. It was just a cambelt/tensioner change, without the variator it would have been under 400, though.

The next service for our 156 is the 60k which will be in about April next year. If you're local give Alfa Aid a ring on 01628 788887 and they'll give you a quote
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Yeah you've received some usual bull****e from and Alfa dealer. The tensioners don't need adjusting- why should they - cos the belt stretches? If the belt stretches then your timing is going to be shot!
HOWEVER belts and tensioners are best replaced at 3 years or 35K ish which ever first. The belts do perish with time and then tensioners/pulleys are pretty dire, lacking durability.
It buys piece of mind in the sense that if it fails (my "new" belts and tensioners started to go at 8k!) then Alfa will be paying for the mess.
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Re: 156 Cam Belt Problem

I also have a 2003 TS which has just come out of warranty.

It's on 42k now and I picked it up just after the 36k service was completed.

On the service receipts for the 3 year 36k service I can see that a note was made mentioning tensioner on "full stop". Having phoned the dealer to ask what this was, they explained the original plastic tensioner was knackered and was replaced with an alloy one UNDER WARRANTY........ Obviously the belt etc was inculded with this....

Obviously some dealers are 'nicer' than others.... If the car was just under 3 years old I'm sure you could push hard and get something sorted!
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