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MAF Sensor Bosch F00C2G2063 vs. Pierburg PDAF208

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My MAF has completely failed. The replacement sensor came from a 70k car, and has failed yet again..

so its going to be a new sensor element..

I was searching for the F00C2G2063 and came across a website that listed a pierburg sensor PDAF208 as a direct replacement.! is this true? sounds too good ..


any thoughts before I buy.. I new to order this evening to get a delivery for teusday/weds



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Pierburg's own website lists a direct replacement for the F00C2G2063 . Its only been availible since 2010


Just ordered.
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This is the Pierburg part number 7.22701.08.0.
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on petrols anyway the pierburg sensors are crap if you initially had a bosch... you risk to get either a smokey car or missing a few poney's... or even bopth, depending where you are in the rev range
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Pierburg are known to be pants, please report back
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I've just been on the phone to the retailer to double check part numbers, and the Pierburg 7.22701.08.0 sensor is a direct replacement for the F00C2G2063. This replacement has only really been availible since Oct 2010 after issues with previous direct replacement.

I mentioned about the issues with Bosch sensors failing randomly, he laughed and said he knows, little he can do about, but it keeps him in business.

Looking forward to testing this New Pierburg replacement. (Audi and VW/Seat use these Pierburg sensors and reportedly have much longer life spans!)
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The only thing i know from experience about pierburg is their carburetors in the 80's were not great..lol
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All I know is that their previous "direct replacement" for original Bosch JTD 16V MAF, was not really "direct".

It was reporting airflow numbers around 30% too high. It was all nice until I got my car remapped... then ECU started to flip out every time I pushed it close to 4500rpm. (saying something about MAF signal being shorted to supply voltage). And the car smoked quite a bit...

I doubt this newer one is a "direct" replacement. It might be just a better approximation than the old one.
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Do you have the Pierburg part number from the one you have tried to compare? this new part number came out 03/2010


fingers crossed it lasts longer than a typical bosch one.

heres the link to the Pierburg e-catalogue (searchable via vehicle/engine/part number etc..)

https://onlineshop.ms-motor-service....usertype=guest
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I doubt this newer one is a "direct" replacement. It might be just a better approximation than the old one.
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Stick with Bosch, if you can't afford a new one get a second hand Bosch one. Twinsparks in particular hate anything other than Bosch and never run right.
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already tried a s/h sensor, failed after 3 months.. I'll let you know weds. Its being sent direct overnight from Germany and will have it fitted weds/thurs
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already tried a s/h sensor, failed after 3 months.. I'll let you know weds. Its being sent direct overnight from Germany and will have it fitted weds/thurs
Check your airbox & air filter. Are you using a standard paper element?

You can never tell how long something like a used MAF will last, but its the same story with a new one. Its their environment that kill them 9 times out of 10.
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air filter is big and oil-free
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Oil-free foam filters have a habit of killing MAFs, I think they let water vapour through. Its not a foam filter is it?
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no, mines cotton I think. There not much you can do with water vapour in the air.. they have yet fitted a dehumidifier to an inlet system
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Hi

Any report on the pierburg replacement? Appreciate your updates.

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been running this sensor for a year..no probs! 140ps jtd mjet

i saw an online alfa shop selling pierburg instead of Bosch mafs..
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We experimented with the Pierburg and found that they work on the 2.0TS but could not keep up with the 2.5 or 3.0’s airflow.
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We experimented with the Pierburg and found that they work on the 2.0TS but could not keep up with the 2.5 or 3.0s airflow.
Yes, i can confirm the same.....
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