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Sub Zero 2 2.86%
Cool 13 18.57%
Uncool 11 15.71%
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A Cherry by another name. Is it cool?
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unmitigated piece of junk

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Im sorry to say this but that Alfa should of never, never, NEVER been built.
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It's so uncool, it's cool esp in Nissan Cherry Europe GTi form. Sorry guys
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Uncool,but always fascinates me when i see photos of one,purely for the fact that anyone made the decision to put an Alfa badge to it !
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She's pretty cool, but married by the looks of things, and probably as old as me now! The car? Boxy fill in, what shall we make next? So, uncool.
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Really sad. Uncool.

Not one of Alfa's finest hours.
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I don't remember that hood ornament as an option. !!!!
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80s Italian build quality with Japanese styling. Nuff said

Piece of ****
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It may be an Alfa but seriously....wtf!
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So rare now it's cool. Plus, some of my mates bought & restored one to concours condition
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I think it's interesting as a piece of autmotive history which threw up and very strange coalition of the worst bits of two great car manufacturing companies. I don't think that makes it cool though.
 
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I think it's interesting as a piece of autmotive history which threw up and very strange coalition of the worst bits of two great car manufacturing companies. I don't think that makes it cool though.
Worst bits, as in a boxer engine
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I suspect that had the Nissan Cherry never existed and the ARNA had arrived looking exactly as it did, but as an in-house Alfa design, it would have probably been accepted without question. The boxy styling isn't far removed from any other Alfa at the time but the Nissan connection just wasn't palatable to the Alfisti (and still isn't to some now!)

Many people still think it's a Cherry with an Alfa badge but it's actually about 95% Alfa Romeo and shares less with it's Japanese counterpart than you might imagine. Even the components that are the same as the N12 Cherry are Italian made and Marked 'Alfa Romeo'. In fact, ironically, the Nissan version (the Cherry Europe) is actually a hastily re-badged Alfa! Even the Chassis plate on The Cherry Europe Says Alfa Romeo SpA rather than Nissan. This model was originally only ever meant to be an Alfa and it wasn't originally intended for their to be a Nissan version.

As a car, it's not bad at all. It's quick and nimble (especially in Ti or GTi form) and sounds lovely. In fact prior to it's launch and immeadiately after it received much praise from the motoring press. History has not been kind to it though and over the years the notion of the project being a bad idea (which it undoubtedly was) has become confused with the idea that the ARNA was a bad car. It wasn't really, and certainly no worse than anything else Alfa built back then. Where the real problem lay was in Alfa Romeo not understanding their buyers and the brand loyalty they had. In the same way that 1980's Nissan buyers wouldn't have dreamed of owning a car built by Italians, the average Alfa buyer didn't want a car that looked exactly the same as a Nissan.

As for the question of wether it's cool... we'll it IS an interesting car and in practice not a bad one. Whether people like it or not, it is a proper Alfa Romeo and I think it may even have been the last model to be built prior to Fiat taking over. But cool? Even though I like the car I think it unlikely!
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You LIKE the Arna?

Oh my god, you OWN one!

Each to their own i suppose, i have a 145 and many people dont like them. Fair play to you
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Worst bits, as in a boxer engine
I was thinking more about dodgy 80s Japanese looks and dodgy 80s Italian build quality. It's the engine and general concept that make it interesting to me.
 
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It's much maligned in truth. Think back to AR's other designs around the time they were all angular and looked as though they had been drawn using rulers and set squares, so from that perspective not so out of place. TBH not my favourite era of car design either way
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The Japanese version of this body style comes in dozens of different flavours including a saloon and even a coupe (albeit really wierd looking) yet the ARNA is sadly the wost looking of all of them due to it's clumsy headlights and massive bumpers. The first of the N12 Cherrys wasn't a bad looking little thing. It's a shame Alfa couldn't have retained the smaller headlights and bumpers along with the mostly clear corner indicators of the Japanese ones...



Anyone know anything about this one?

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I suspect that had the Nissan Cherry never existed and the ARNA had arrived looking exactly as it did, but as an in-house Alfa design, it would have probably been accepted without question. The boxy styling isn't far removed from any other Alfa at the time but the Nissan connection just wasn't palatable to the Alfisti (and still isn't to some now!)

Many people still think it's a Cherry with an Alfa badge but it's actually about 95% Alfa Romeo and shares less with it's Japanese counterpart than you might imagine. Even the components that are the same as the N12 Cherry are Italian made and Marked 'Alfa Romeo'. In fact, ironically, the Nissan version (the Cherry Europe) is actually a hastily re-badged Alfa! Even the Chassis plate on The Cherry Europe Says Alfa Romeo SpA rather than Nissan. This model was originally only ever meant to be an Alfa and it wasn't originally intended for their to be a Nissan version.

As a car, it's not bad at all. It's quick and nimble (especially in Ti or GTi form) and sounds lovely. In fact prior to it's launch and immeadiately after it received much praise from the motoring press. History has not been kind to it though and over the years the notion of the project being a bad idea (which it undoubtedly was) has become confused with the idea that the ARNA was a bad car. It wasn't really, and certainly no worse than anything else Alfa built back then. Where the real problem lay was in Alfa Romeo not understanding their buyers and the brand loyalty they had. In the same way that 1980's Nissan buyers wouldn't have dreamed of owning a car built by Italians, the average Alfa buyer didn't want a car that looked exactly the same as a Nissan.

As for the question of wether it's cool... we'll it IS an interesting car and in practice not a bad one. Whether people like it or not, it is a proper Alfa Romeo and I think it may even have been the last model to be built prior to Fiat taking over. But cool? Even though I like the car I think it unlikely!
Nicely put.

Sadly the cult of Clarkson has done its worst and the truth will
never surface until he is long gone

I enjoyed my Arna but, like you, could never see it as cool



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I voted uncool but only because it looked the same as the Japanese counterpart. Interesting to know it was actually an Alfa.

In reality it is probably quite cool.
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Im sorry to say this but its seriously uncool...



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Many people still think it's a Cherry with an Alfa badge but it's actually about 95% Alfa Romeo and shares less with it's Japanese counterpart than you might imagine. Even the components that are the same as the N12 Cherry are Italian made and Marked 'Alfa Romeo'. In fact, ironically, the Nissan version (the Cherry Europe) is actually a hastily re-badged Alfa! Even the Chassis plate on The Cherry Europe Says Alfa Romeo SpA rather than Nissan. This model was originally only ever meant to be an Alfa and it wasn't originally intended for their to be a Nissan version.
Doesn't that actually make it worse? It's pretending to be an Alfa - really hard. As you say though, it's probably not THAT bad as wheels........as a sales proposition it was STUPID.

Clarkson be damned, as ever...........but he never conceived, designed and marketed it.
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Uncool. It would have been "cooler" if it was badged as Nissan instead, at least Alfa could have kept some pride.

Saluti, Giordano.
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