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View Poll Results: Ford Model T
Sub Zero 10 25.00%
Cool 14 35.00%
Uncool 12 30.00%
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The Ford Model T was introduced in 1908 and is regarded as the first affordable automobile. It came in 9 body styles, and all of them used the same chassis. Henry Ford himself said this of his creation:

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I will build a car for the great multitude. It will be large enough for the family, but small enough for the individual to run and care for. It will be constructed of the best materials, by the best men to be hired, after the simplest designs that modern engineering can devise. But it will be so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one – and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces.
The specifications are from the 1908 model. The vehicles got heavier as they used more steel in subsequent production years.

Engine: I4
Displacement: 2,896 cc
Aspiration: Natural
Power: 20 bhp (14.9 kW)
Configuration: Front-engined, rear-wheel drive
Weight: 544 kg (1,199 lbs)
Top speed: About 45 mph
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Cool because:

First ones were black black or black (nice lack of choice)
Laurel & Hardy tooled round in one
Pedal layout made then impossible to drive
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I think Henry Ford's ethos makes it sub-zero.
 
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Cool because:

First ones were black black or black (nice lack of choice)
Laurel & Hardy tooled round in one
Pedal layout made then impossible to drive
Actually, that wasn't really the case, I quote from The Frontenac:

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No one really knows if Henry Ford ever said that the buying public could have Model T Fords "in any color, so long as it's black", but it is commonly attributed to him. While this saying is true for the model years after 1913, earlier cars were available in green, red, blue and grey. In fact, in the first year, Model T Fords were not available in black at all. The switch to all black cars was due to Ford's ongoing obsession with cost reduction, and not, as is commonly believed, to reduce drying time and hence increase production.
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Who voted uncool?
I voted seriously uncool, on the basis that if you drive a car this old on the roads, EVERYONE stares at you and wonders if you're nuts. Then they start to hate you when it becomes evident that even if you thrashed your ridiculous antique, you'd only get 20hp (6.9hp per litre!) and 45mph. Between rubbernecking-related accidents and the contraption's yesteryear pace you'd be a traffic menace.
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Everything that is sub-zero or cool today wouldnt be if it wasnt for the Model-T.

So sub-zero.

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Everything that is sub-zero or cool today wouldnt be if it wasnt for the Model-T.

So sub-zero.

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Everything that is sub-zero or cool today wouldnt be if it wasnt for the Model-T.

So sub-zero.

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+1

You cant argue with that, as much as i loath the ford badge you have to agree that this was the first affordable, mass produced car that was aimed at the masses for them to enjoy the open road
 
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I'm not changing my vote. Affordable and mass-produced doesn't equate to cool. The CityRover was affordable and mass-produced.

"Everything that is sub-zero or cool today wouldnt be if it wasnt for the Model-T."
This statement implies that the Model T is at best neutral, and that 'cool', 'uncool' etc are defined relative to this car. I think that's still being generous. You can pick one up for your antique museum for US$20k (Model T - Model Information | Conceptcarz.com), which is a bit cheap for "sub-zero".
I reckon the first few cool vintage road cars started appearing at the very end of the '20s - Duesenbergs, Bentleys, Mercs and stuff with style or something going for them other than being first and cheapest.

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Actually, that wasn't really the case, I quote from The Frontenac:
yep, it was on QI as well: NOT available in black in the first runs

And: COOL of course!
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I'm not changing my vote. Affordable and mass-produced doesn't equate to cool. The CityRover was affordable and mass-produced.

"Everything that is sub-zero or cool today wouldnt be if it wasnt for the Model-T."
This statement implies that the Model T is at best neutral, and that 'cool', 'uncool' etc are defined relative to this car. I think that's still being generous. You can pick one up for your antique museum for US$20k (Model T - Model Information | Conceptcarz.com), which is a bit cheap for "sub-zero".
I reckon the first few cool vintage road cars started appearing at the very end of the '20s - Duesenbergs, Bentleys, Mercs and stuff with style or something going for them other than being first and cheapest.
But the S***tyrover didn't pave the way for just about everything we've driven since did it?

Since when did price have anything to with being cool anyway?

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Since when did price have anything to with being cool anyway?
If Model T Fords were sub-zero (currently the most popular vote on this poll), somebody would actually want to own and drive them. If that were balanced against the fact that any surviving examples of this commoner car are now positively ancient, the laws of supply and demand would dictate they'd be worth serious money.
Relatively speaking they're very cheap, ergo they are uncool.
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Its a Ford, its uncool, and as for paving the way forward, if this car had been a flop, then we'd have missed out on being cut up by [email protected] driving the awful cars made by Ford ever since.
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Voted Uncool

It's slow, theres no style to it and worst of all it paved the way for mass production of cars with the idea that everyone should have them. Now everyone does and 90% of them own cars that look the same as every other car.
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my next door neighbour has one in his garage and not taken it out for over 10 years. i've been trying to talk him into getting it out for a spin some time soon. It's a pretty cool car, he was telling me about the aftermarket add ons you could get for it, such as bigger exhaust (adds an extra 2bhp) and proper electric lamps, as opposed to the oil lamps on this one. The horn is quite funky too.









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But the S***tyrover didn't pave the way for just about everything we've driven since did it?

Since when did price have anything to with being cool anyway?
Spot on

Salute, Giordano.
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