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0-60mph in 4.5 seconds


Near 300 mile range.


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400PS and 696Nm of torque.


Just configured one - wouldn't be cheap
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Exciting to see Jaguar putting their name on a truly contemporary car, from Austria.
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I think it's the only SUVish motor that I like the look of and most other EVs either look like a pimply youth's trainer, or a cover design for "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream".
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looks like a relatively *cool* version of the now or near future car.
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Still think it looks like a Peugeot, and that name's going to become dated v quickly.



OTOH maybe in 40 years time it'll acquire a kindof retro-so-naff-it's-cool thing like the Allegro Equipe

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Well, my eyesight's not particularly great, but the wheels are quite similar, the nose is quite similar, the side profile is pretty smilar, and believe it or not the big lumpy bit on the back of the Pug is fake - really the roof profile's pretty similar, but Peugeot put on roof bars and two lumps / fake door extensions at the rear to make it look more suv-like.

So cut those ridiculous fake bits off the roof, remove the plastic bits on the wheelarches and lower the suspension, and they could be separated at birth

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree coz to me they don't look similar. The Pug looks like every generic SUV/cross-over, i.e. ugly as kcuf. I like the way the Jaaag's bonnet curves over the wheel arch, the straight creases on the sides and the coupé-ish profile. I'm not that keen on the arris though.

I really don't like the front of the RCZ BTW.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree coz to me they don't look similar. The Pug looks like every generic SUV/cross-over, i.e. ugly as kcuf. I like the way the Jaaag's bonnet curves over the wheel arch, the straight creases on the sides and the coupé-ish profile. I'm not that keen on the arris though.

I really don't like the front of the RCZ BTW.
If you think the 2008 is dull to look at you should try driving one

The rear of the RCZ is a work of art though, and that's the bit you'd see most of whilst stuck behind it... Why on earth they created such a pretty car and then shoved a range of mostly gutless economy engines in it is anybody's guess.

That's one area where the i-pace definitely wins - it could go 0-60 and back again in the time either of the Peugeot wonders took to get there, well except the RCZ R which is okish performance-wise (my fugly ancient Subaru estate would still beat it).
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If you think the 2008 is dull to look at you should try driving one

The rear of the RCZ is a work of art though, and that's the bit you'd see most of whilst stuck behind it... Why on earth they created such a pretty car and then shoved a range of mostly gutless economy engines in it is anybody's guess.

That's one area where the i-pace definitely wins - it could go 0-60 and back again in the time either of the Peugeot wonders took to get there, well except the RCZ R which is okish performance-wise (my fugly ancient Subaru estate would still beat it).
The RCZ is just wrong. I love how it looks but then you learn that it's not mid-engined despite the shape making no sense at all for a car that isn't mid-engined, and it's probably going to be a diesel.

As for this, there have been very few Jags in my lifetime that I've looked at and thought naah. So far the list is the X-Type (though I could live with a black petrol wagon with colour coded brightwork), the XJ220, and the 4x4s, and this.
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Cheaper than a Tesla, looks better than a Tesla.

Still, 77 thousand pounds for a car that is not really that "special" puts it in a rather small box when it comes to sales.
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The RCZ is just wrong. I love how it looks but then you learn that it's not mid-engined despite the shape making no sense at all for a car that isn't mid-engined, and it's probably going to be a diesel.

As for this, there have been very few Jags in my lifetime that I've looked at and thought naah. So far the list is the X-Type (though I could live with a black petrol wagon with colour coded brightwork), the XJ220, and the 4x4s, and this.
Give me an old Mk2 (preferably the Daimler v8 type) and I'd be happy, or an E-type, or maybe an original 1970s xj12 coupe

Yeah, RCZ was a waste of a good design really, a real hairdresser's car. It'd be an interesting one for the cool wall in some ways, to see if looks win out over everything else.
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RCZ - the thinking man's Aldi T!T.
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I actually quite like the RCZ. I think it looks better than the TT. I agree with KB in that it looks like it should be mid-engine. I think it should have had a meaty V6.

The i-Pace - It looks OK for an SUV I suppose but then buy a proper ICE F-Pace if you must. As this is an EV it'll be sheite, no noise, always running out of electricity and last but by no means least, in your face expensive and brand new.
Those two points alone stop it from being cool, you'll just look a tool with everybody knowing your not really doing anything for the environment but you think you are.
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I actually quite like the RCZ. I think it looks better than the TT. I agree with KB in that it looks like it should be mid-engine. I think it should have had a meaty V6.

The i-Pace - It looks OK for an SUV I suppose but then buy a proper ICE F-Pace if you must. As this is an EV it'll be sheite, no noise, always running out of electricity and last but by no means least, in your face expensive and brand new.
Those two points alone stop it from being cool, you'll just look a tool with everybody knowing your not really doing anything for the environment but you think you are.
The I-PACE is far better looking than the F-PACE.

I've been thinking of the journeys I've made in the last 10 years which couldn't have been completed with the range of an I-PACE and it's a handful provided I could charge at, say, a hotel.
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Nobody buys them so the list price is irrelevant. They will be leased and like Tesla the savings in congestion charge can offset the depreciation a bit.
It does have a noise doesn't it? There was certainly talk of it for the interior and for pedestrians to hear it. If not then you'll realise the noise of those tyres as my neighbour in his Tesla complained to me.
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Oho, this looks like an altogether more pleasant Jaguar ev:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/peb...lectric-e-type

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not a reflection on the new Jag, but we were told one of the benefits of electric drive meant 'huge' differences to packaging resulting in 'revolutionary' improvements in interiors, space and lounge room. Has this happened?

Not been in a Tesla, but it and the new Audi e-enter name here seem to still have exactly the same packaging as an ICE car (long bonnet/cabin, huge footprint).

Is it - irrespective of powerplant - safety (need for front crumple zones etc) that determines the shape/packaging of a car, over how it's fueled?

One recent car (don't laugh) that was pretty good packaging-wise, was the double-floored A-Class. Make it electric, get Lotus to tune the chassis and you've got a car that in part delivers on the electric car packaging dream far more effectively than many others.

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The I-PACE is far better looking than the F-PACE.
I looked. Yes the I-Pace is a little flatter but otherwise exactly the same. The F-Pace like the I-Pace is as ugly as, however at least the F-Pace has a decent amount of room which is why you'd buy an SUV.
The I-pace's increased height over a standard car is to accommodate the batteries. Still ugly as I'm afraid.

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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/peb...lectric-e-type

That looks beautiful because it is the shell of one of the most beautiful cars made. However some **** stole it's heart and stuck a washing machine engine in, in place. They then have the cheek and audacity to charge a **** load of money for it.

I think though if only EV's existed and I saw that E-Type, I'd spend the cash on cocaine and golf. In fact combine them both at the same time and you're on a winner. Certainly more fun than the E-Type plastic ripoff

I'm afraid it's another POS like the Pace doins.
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I looked. Yes the I-Pace is a little flatter but otherwise exactly the same.
I don't want to make too much of this but it really isn't.
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I looked. Yes the I-Pace is a little flatter but otherwise exactly the same. The F-Pace like the I-Pace is as ugly as, however at least the F-Pace has a decent amount of room which is why you'd buy an SUV.
The I-pace's increased height over a standard car is to accommodate the batteries. Still ugly as I'm afraid.



That looks beautiful because it is the shell of one of the most beautiful cars made. However some **** stole it's heart and stuck a washing machine engine in, in place. They then have the cheek and audacity to charge a **** load of money for it.

I think though if only EV's existed and I saw that E-Type, I'd spend the cash on cocaine and golf. In fact combine them both at the same time and you're on a winner. Certainly more fun than the E-Type plastic ripoff

I'm afraid it's another POS like the Pace doins.
Ha ha, I wouldn't mind at all if it's a replica; it'd be bringing back echoes of the time when Jaguars really were unique, and I'd much rather travel in something that looks wonderful than something which looks like an oversized trainer.

But it'd be deeply unpleasant if they've actually killed a real E-Type and turned it into a Franken-car; that'd be every bit as sacrilegious as getting a pornstar to dress up as the pope and take a televised Sunday mass before re-enacting two girls one cup with a Virgin Mary lookalke and the baptismal font.
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The Etype was heavily influenced by the Disco Volante though?
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