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View Poll Results: Is this the one that makes it alright?
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Uncool, but I have no bias against electric vehicles.
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You can now put your £1000 down to get on the waiting list for one of these. It may be available the mid to late 2018. I find the concept of giving you money up nearly two years early for something you have not only never driven but not actually seen. They also only give you a price in USD. Whether that is what it will cost on the US or whether that is the estimated price here in the UK?

I guess Ferrari and like do it too (I wouldn't with them either) but they are at least a bit exotic.
It is currently the only milk float I'd consider but not on these terms.

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Cool? Highly likely. My neighbour has been driving loan cars for a couple of months now instead of his Tesla X because the heating failed. It must be a common problem judging by the time he's been waiting and the fact tha one of the loan cars was a Mercedes ML because they didn't have enough Teslas to lend him one.
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have a hunch that, symbolically, it'll be a new-age Toyota Prius for the Islington set.
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I have a hunch that the ICE inertia against EVs will look very silly in a few years. Gears? Torque curves? Emissions? Noise? Who needs 'em?
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Uncool, but I have no bias against electric vehicles.
This.

I voted uncool just in case the "Designer" happens to be reading this and wondering why he got the sack, it's because he designed the front during a powercut in a windowless room.
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I hear the latest exterior designer hire was from Mazda. So, he did a Mazda and he's used to doing a grille at the front so they just left it blank.
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Is there a confirmed date yet when you can actually buy one?
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Is there a confirmed date yet when you can actually buy one?
As I'd subscribed as interested in 2017, late last year (mid December) I received an email inviting me to view one. Already got bored waiting and bought something else.






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Not so good in the cold!
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Lower range and the door handles freeze.
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The neighbour finally got his ModelX back with its falkin' doors after a two month warranty visit to the Tesla centre , its heater fixed. I suspect the company lacks the experience needed to make cars. When you see the people online complaining how it's impossible to wrap a Velar because of the doorhandles design I'm amazed they get away with all this in the states.
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Worth a read. https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/opi...nd/2730714002/
Tesla could teach car manufacturers about the electric bits but not so much the car bits?
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Worth a read. https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/opi...nd/2730714002/
Tesla could teach car manufacturers about the electric bits but not so much the car bits?
Fascinating. If they ever get the 'manufacturing cars' bit right.. then nobody else stands a chance.
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I've got a friend who owns a Model X and a friend who owns a Model S.

Both rave about the "ownership experience" but that seems to be mostly to do with touchy feely stuff like the automated software downloads to fix some faults and the fact that the service guys come out to them and are more like techies than grease monkeys. The Model X owner is forever showing us the video of his car doing it's little door dance routine - which was interesting the first time, but less so the 16th time.

The Model S driver likes the fact that his car synchs with his diary and pre-plans his meeting routes to minimise mileage and go via charge spots as required. Nice feature - but I don't need more things to worry me each day, I want fewer.....

Both have mentioned in passing that the cold weather last March did drastically reduce range (by about 50% on really cold days) and both do say they have to plan quite a lot for long journeys.

Having said that - I do like the look of both cars and performance is very strong. Neither have any horror stories about reliability particularly - although they both do seem to have had a fair amount of downloads/visits for cars that are less than 2 years old.

My two fundamental issues are:

1. Initial cost. Both cars are 60k + even used and closer to 100k when new
2. Depreciation concerns for when the next tech leap comes around. If you have a 2 year old Model S when the next generation battery version comes out that doubles the range (as I'm sure it will ) then I expect the depreciation will end up close to 100% overnight as it will be like owning a Betamax when VHS won.

I don't doubt that EVs will be the cars we all drive over the next decade - but I don't want to gamble 60-100k on making that leap. I'm interested around the Model 3 because it may be priced at a level that the gamble is more acceptable. But that would need to mean it costs 30k and I'm not sure that will be the case when it REALLY arrives in the UK and you can buy one in a definite spec.

Interesting times tho!
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The appeal of the Tesla is the monthly figure versus the list price especially when offset with savings such as congestion charge and season tickets because in theory you can drive to work in London with one. In theory that is. Also, residuals were initially pretty good and now they are becoming more becoming common some are reported to be inventory for quite some time. This will bring down used prices for the later adopters. Early adopters seem quite forgiving of faults and software updates but I'm not sure the bargain hunters will be the same as the years go by.
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How the actual eff are ordinary working class people ever going to afford one of these things?
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How many people buy their new iPhone?
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I refuse to play that game.


I want an oily, cheap banger.


And an inexpensive car ownership proposition.
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but in a world where car makers become mobility providers it's going to be difficult. Especially if they bundle the car into a mobile Siri that sells your data and takes you shopping.
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And an inexpensive car ownership proposition.
I'd be surprised - the way things are going - that by (say) 2030, the above will even be an option sadly. We will all be on fractional ownership of shared autonomous Ubers
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The dealers won't be needed for servicing as much as today's internal combustion oil change and brakes will be regenerative etc. They won't sell the car. You will provided with a transport solution whether it's an Uber or a rented per hour or day etc vehicle.
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I'd be surprised - the way things are going - that by (say) 2030, the above will even be an option sadly. We will all be on fractional ownership of shared autonomous Ubers
Most certainly.

As for the risk, I agree the Model 3 is much less to fork out. Also the £30k point you made. I read similar in the US. I am not sure anybody has yet been able to purchase the 'base' price cars. Musky has concentrated on the higher specced ones as I understand.

I think it is going to be more like £35k at best. Not sure what the government hand out for one, but it was £5k. Is this going to make them a £40k luxury car = extra tax?
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