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I bought a Bilt Hamber Auto Clay bar at AutoItalia and it says it only needs water as a lube,is this really true or should i be using something else? :thumbs up:
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Yes, just water. This and the fact that it's massive are it's two biggest selling points.
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I was blown away when i seen the brick you get! Its very soft aswell innit? Great value
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i got some of this at autoitalia. what i wanted was some tar remover but i didn't want to spent £20 on some tardis. thought 5l was a bit ott.
will it do something similar?
got some billberry too.
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I'm not too sure, I use a degreaser (Panelwipe, also ~£20 for 5L) for detarring duties so it may work if you use it neat.
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i got some of this at autoitalia. what i wanted was some tar remover but i didn't want to spent £20 on some tardis. thought 5l was a bit ott.
will it do something similar?
got some billberry too.
Why have you bought that Jim, to use for claying? Thats nee good for Tar and you shouldve got the VP Citrus Tar & Glue Remover......
It is a very good pre wash though
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no it's not for claying. obv. it's a pre wash. just wanted to know if it'll take the tar off.
i'll pop into wilkos and get a sprayer and use it for along the bottom of the sills and arches.
heard good things about billberry and i was out of wheel cleaner (not that i need it for my wheels), so i went for it.
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no it's not for claying. obv. it's a pre wash. just wanted to know if it'll take the tar off.
i'll pop into wilkos and get a sprayer and use it for along the bottom of the sills and arches.
heard good things about billberry and i was out of wheel cleaner (not that i need it for my wheels), so i went for it.
It is obvious Jim but i thought i'd ask given the op. As i mentioned i have VP Citrus Tar & Glue remover which can be bought in the very same bottle as the Orange Pre Wash for around the same price as you paid. I too wanted Tartdis but didnt want to be hampered with 5 ltrs for the next 5 years Some AS reps split stuff or you can buy it off ebay in smaller bottles. Other than that pop to Halfords and get the AG Tar stuff. Its as good as owt ive been told.
Pre Wash is great for bugs etc though. Pound World has pump sprayers for £1 and theyre decent. Brass endd like the Wilkos one but no pressure release valve.
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Yes, just water. This and the fact that it's massive are it's two biggest selling points.
But surely water has no lubricating properties allowing the clay to glide.
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I use water and a tiny, tiny, tiny (etc) amount of washing up liquid in a spray bottle with my Bilt soft clay. I'm sure the instructions that came with it said that. I'll dig them out tonight and scan it in.

Damn good clay though, much better than the Meg's clay kit I was using.
 
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But surely water has no lubricating properties allowing the clay to glide.
Bilt Hamber must have added some sort of lubricant into the clay, although it is never visible even when wet.

Some (American?) firm owns the patent for the use of regular clay and it's all made in one factory as far as I'm aware, it comes in a few grades of fine, medium and aggressive. Companies specify different colours and sell it as their own "unique" clay. Bilt Hamber clay doesn't need a QD to be used with it's clay so they can avoid the patent and make a clay which is actually different to the others. I'll try and find the thread expalining all of this, I think I read it on DW or Autopia many moons ago.

A soap and water mix is all you need for a normal clay, BH autoclay needs only water.


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http://www.bilthamber.com/autoclay.html

I couldn't find the thread I was looking for but both of these websites state that all clay is all manufactued in the same place

http://guidetodetailing.com/detailin...gold-clay-bar/

http://thedetailinghandbook.com/Claying.aspx

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I use Zymol's Lehm Klay product which works very well it requires a lubricant ZYMOL LEHM LUBE 12 oz to use it which actually goes a long way despite the small size of the bottle.

The Klay also removes tar, not spray it on and it dissolves it but just as it does for the rest of the car you rub it off with the Klay bar no doubt takes longer to remove the tar that way but you don't have to spray a chemical on the paint and it removes the other impurities as you do it.
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I had heard this 10,500rpm. Its the same as the drying towels....made in China probs and dyed different colours and sold by different companies as their own. Ive just bought some Zaino clay but was also given a piece of BH soft off a friend to try. As i said i couldnt believe how soft it actually is.
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i used this last time. added a bit of AG shampoo to a spray bottle full of water, worked a treat as lube.
i think it's shocking some of these firms selling clay for big bucks.
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My BH autoclay was £10.95 for 200g :thumbs up:
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My BH autoclay was £10.95 for 200g :thumbs up:
Get some proper lube bought to go with it then yer tight get!
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no...water does not suffice at all, nor does dishwashing detergent at it contains elements not meant to contact auto paint, 'mint' brand lube is the best stuff you can get...
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they're not going to market something that damages your car, if you use it as per their instructions.
water is fine for bh.
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I clayed my car with BH clay and water and a top job it did too.
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no...water does not suffice at all, nor does dishwashing detergent at it contains elements not meant to contact auto paint, 'mint' brand lube is the best stuff you can get...
Have you ever used BH Autoclay?
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I was blown away when i seen the brick you get! Its very soft aswell innit? Great value
i used meguiars and it's like basalt
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