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Sealent after wax ??

Again with the detailing q & a im getting sooooooooo adicted !

Just purchesed some poors stuff as recomened by some of you wonderfull lot

BlackHole and Ex-p Sealent i take it

Wash
Prewax cleaner
Polish
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Wax (Swissvax)
Ex-p Seal


Does that sound right ??
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Aye! Wax evaporates off the surface, so the sealant is supposed to keep it bonded on there and doing its stuff a bit longer. The sealant may even add something to the shine.

Post if it makes any difference or not... I used Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection in the past and that has no "visible" effect but does seem to keep the wax more glossy for longer.


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i have been using auto extra gloss but after SRP then waxing .....

How Ever i keep suffering from product holograms am i using too much ???
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You shouldnt need a pre wax cleanser if going straight to polish, its mainly to prepare for wax. The seal is a bonding agent to help the wax lay
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I would of said wax after sealant as the sealant will not like bonding to wax.
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Yep agreed.....wax should be the final coat AFTER the sealant. You should expect to reapply a layer of wax every few weeks whereas the other polish and selant should stay put for a lot longer than that.
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Ive got OCD ! I wash polish wax and seal every saturday perks of not having a bird lol !

should i replace SRP and use blackhole instead or just use both ?
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SRP is a polish with fillers, Black hole is just a filler. I would use both, black hole 2nd. Oh and seal then wax as some sealants eat into the wax ive read.
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its well confusing all this detailing malarky

is there an idiots guide anywhere for me to read cos im an idiot.
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yeah it simple really sealant and wax are the same in terms of what they do.

1st time detail
wash
clay
polish
wax

or
wash
clay
polish
sealant

Then every wash you normally finish with a detailing spray to get rid of any water marks Z8 is my fav
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Then every wash you normally finish with a detailing spray to get rid of any water marks Z8 is my fav
+1 That man knows his stuff, Z8 is brilliant

By the way, ditch your sponge and chamois. Replace them with a lambswool/ microfibre wash mitt and microfibre towel, far less chace of leaving swirl marks.

**edit** FK1000P is my choice of sealent by the way, I will be using this stuff for many, many years to come
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its well confusing all this detailing malarky

is there an idiots guide anywhere for me to read cos im an idiot.
Head over to A world for detailers... for all the guides you will ever need. Keep your wallet locked away though. Seriously addictive! Just spent almost 10 hours washing, claying. Washing, drying, machine polishing. Cleansing and applying two layers of DoDo Juice Purple Haze with a finish coat of Z8. Knackered but still watching out for the fecking kids playing footy outside my house!
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There have been quite a number of debates on various forums in recent times and there seems to be a move towards putting sealants on top of wax. But I can't get my mind around this as I have always understood that the sealant needs a perfectly clean smooth surface to adhere to and a wax would negate this.

I use the Car-Lack Twins (Acrylic Sealant and Wax) and then top it with a Carnauba Wax (P21S)to give a bit of pop and warmth.

Works for me and so I will stick with this - unless I'm convinced otherwise of course.
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wooo hoooo my black hole and ex-p has turned up ! looks like ill be pulling a late one tonight i cant till the weekend to try it out so im staying on at work to see what the fuss is about
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I've only used FK1000p once so far, but it's worth every penny. Water beading after is unreal. It is long lasting and is easy to apply and remove(Just don't put it on thick). I know what I'll be buying until the wife finds out.
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There have been quite a number of debates on various forums in recent times and there seems to be a move towards putting sealants on top of wax. But I can't get my mind around this as I have always understood that the sealant needs a perfectly clean smooth surface to adhere to and a wax would negate this.

I use the Car-Lack Twins (Acrylic Sealant and Wax) and then top it with a Carnauba Wax (P21S)to give a bit of pop and warmth.

Works for me and so I will stick with this - unless I'm convinced otherwise of course.
Regarding a few sealants i own or am interested in ive read that they shouldnt be applied over a wax as they break it down and adhear to the paint. Check this thread out...
Spray Sealants - The Facts as per Caledonia - Detailing World
I mean is there any benefit from using one on top of the other anyway? I want to try the Optimum Opti-Seal as ive been told it gives an awesome wetlook, whereas a wax gives more of a warm look in comparison i believe.
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Interesting read, thanks for the link.

However I think they are referring to "spray on" sealants. The sealants like Klasse/Car-Lack/Werkstadt are in a different league. They are acrylic cleaner/polishes (often called AIO -All in one) which are then topped with a second product, also a sealant but which can be layered to give a high gloss. A carnauba wax can then be put on top to give additional warmth etc.

These sealants are very populqar with owners of white/silver cars as they give an intense (sometimes quite a clinical/cold) shine hence the use of a carnauba wax to give a bit of warmth.

In your case you have a black car so you might not see the advantage of a sealant?
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Interesting read, thanks for the link.

However I think they are referring to "spray on" sealants. The sealants like Klasse/Car-Lack/Werkstadt are in a different league. They are acrylic cleaner/polishes (often called AIO -All in one) which are then topped with a second product, also a sealant but which can be layered to give a high gloss. A carnauba wax can then be put on top to give additional warmth etc.

These sealants are very popular with owners of white/silver cars as they give an intense (sometimes quite a clinical/cold) shine hence the use of a carnauba wax to give a bit of warmth.

In your case you have a black car so you might not see the advantage of a sealant?
Opti-Seal is meant to be awesome on black for the wet look
Autopia.org - View Single Post - Would OCW be good to use over Opti-Seal
For the record it is a spray on jobby. I did say that the ones mentioned were one i own (dj red mist) and one i want (opti-seal). Ive just finished reading the whole thing and from what i can gather the red mist is fine over wax aslong as the 24 hour curing time is allowed and also not to use opti Seal over wax as said by the manufacturer. I dont see the point anyway as i'd be wanting opti seal for its wetlook so would just apply that on its own. Interesting read though all the same!



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