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Hello lads. I am really thinking about getting a 2010 Mito as my first car. There two very nice models in Scotland. One is a Cloverleaf 170hp and the other one is the 120hp model. I just became aware of the difference in the gearboxes and engines between the two and I just want some help from you lads on which one to pick and what I should expect financially in the next years.
Both have their mot done for this year. The non-cloverleaf has advisories on the front left disk.
The cloverleaf doesn't have advisories on at the present. Both have 60k miles on clock.
It's my first post so if I broke some rules regarding posting in this part of the forum I will appreciate redirecting me to the relevant discussion.
I will love to show you photos but I'm not sure I can here. I will add the links later on.
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Is the 120hp model an early 1.4 or a 1.6 diesel?
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It is an 1.4 petrol engine.
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Sorry, I had a 1.6 120 D so can't comment on the petrols. From my understanding the older 1.4 (120 & 155) are more dependable than the later multi-airs. Sure someone with more knowledge will be along in no time.
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“From my understanding the older 1.4 (120 & 155) are more dependable than the later multi-airs”
To clarify; the earlier examples of Multi-airs were the ones that sometimes had issues due to incorrect oil. The statement could be read as “later examples of Multi-airs were less dependable”, which is not true. The MA was fitted first to the Mito then the Giulietta was offered with it a year later and issues became less common by the second year of the Giulietta.
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Cue2, if I could depend on anyone to highlight the flaws in my writing I knew it would be you. What I meant was that in general the early turbo engines (120 &155) were less trouble than the equivalent multi air engines (135 & 170) that superseded them in general, rather than specifically late life multiairs.
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I read it as “the later Multiairs” were more problematic.
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The 120 TB is still used in the Guilietta so I either Alfa decided this was a good engine in terms of reliability and emissions .. or they had a shed-load they need to get rid of! :-)
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The really nice thing about the 120tb is the turbocharger is small so is the lag. There is a rumour that as it is available in Italy as LPG the bhp was understated so the Dual fuel version wasn't seen as lacking
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How does the service history look on them?
The MA is a good engine if you look after it, like all good things.
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As mentioned above, the MA is a gem of an engine. Look after the engine and it is an utter joy.

However, I personally wouldn't recommend a Cloverleaf/QV as a first car though. 170bhp for a car that doesn't weigh a lot turns it into a rocket!
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I'd ask if you've considered the insurance premiums on both? You might find the cost prohibitive on the Clover/QV. If it's a black box insurance job then the Clover/QV is pointless anyway as you'll be stuck driving like the pope's grandmother regardless.

If you do buy the earlier T-Jet car look out for gearbox issues which you're probably already aware of.

If it was me, in your position, I'd be buying the 120 to be honest. Yes, alright it's not got as much power, but the little 120 T-Jets have more than enough puff and deliver it in such a manner that you'll not be left wanting for touring round town. In any case the speed limit is 30mph and it'll do 70 on the motorway same as everything else. It's a more simplistic turbo motor so if you're maintaining on a bit of a shoestring budget it might be a bit simpler to live with, particularly if you're setting out learning for yourself. This might help too if there are no Alfa specialists in your area to help look after the multiair unit if it goes belly up.

Right now go with the cheap, easy living, run with it until you've got yourself a good couple of years no claims bonus then you can think about getting yourself something a bit more lively if you fancy it.
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I am not thinking anymore about getting the cloverleaf. I will leave photos with the car and the service history. I notice a gap between 40k miles and 60k miles. The premium is 155 quid a month with a 500 quid deposit for me. Thank you lads.
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I am not thinking anymore about getting the cloverleaf. I will leave photos with the car and the service history. I notice a gap between 40k miles and 60k miles. The premium is 155 quid a month with a 500 quid deposit for me. Thank you lads.
It looks generally well serviced and in good condition. Needs a close look for stonechips etc but the black cars aren't as susceptible as some of the red cars and a certain level of stonechips are to be expected on a 9 year old car.

The gap in history between 2016 & 2019 is a bit of a concern, but it actually only did 18,000 miles between the two stamps which is what Alfa specified for the service interval in terms of mileage, so it's probably done little harm. Had it been a MultiAir engine I'd be more concerned as they need oil changes on the button, but the simpler T-Jet should be fine. It should've been done every 2 years or 18k, though many people got theirs serviced more regularly and I'd suggest yearly oil changes or every 10-12k miles if possible.

It certainly looks like one of the better maintained MiTo's out there overall, as it had lots of annual oil changes when young, which won't have done it harm. The 120 engine had the much better 5 speed box too, rather than the notorious 6 speed M32 box, which is made of chocolate.

If you haven't already, buy it! I still miss my little MiTo now, 2 years after i got rid of it.
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We’ve got the 105bhp twin air turbo for my daughter. Great little engine if you keep it in Dynamic - don’t know if your budget would stretch to a 2015 car though. Infotainment better with a uconnect touch screen as well.
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I’ve owned my 120bhp petrol for nearly 2 years, great cars, decent insurance for me still being a teenager and surprisingly quick in situations like overtaking as there is no lag and nice pull. Upset a few “quicker” cars off the line as well.
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It looks generally well serviced and in good condition. Needs a close look for stonechips etc but the black cars aren't as susceptible as some of the red cars and a certain level of stonechips are to be expected on a 9 year old car.

The gap in history between 2016 & 2019 is a bit of a concern, but it actually only did 18,000 miles between the two stamps which is what Alfa specified for the service interval in terms of mileage, so it's probably done little harm. Had it been a MultiAir engine I'd be more concerned as they need oil changes on the button, but the simpler T-Jet should be fine. It should've been done every 2 years or 18k, though many people got theirs serviced more regularly and I'd suggest yearly oil changes or every 10-12k miles if possible.

It certainly looks like one of the better maintained MiTo's out there overall, as it had lots of annual oil changes when young, which won't have done it harm. The 120 engine had the much better 5 speed box too, rather than the notorious 6 speed M32 box, which is made of chocolate.

If you haven't already, buy it! I still miss my little MiTo now, 2 years after i got rid of it.


Thank you very much for that.
I am going tomorrow to see it. Anything I should look after more specifically with Mitos when checking it. I dont have an obd2 reader so i won't be able to check that..
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Heya. Yes, if you could help me getting a lower premium i would really appreciate that. I would pay it in full. Admiral got me a 1500 quid quote for this 120hp t-jet Veloce. It is 10 months insurance so it's decent. If you could send me a dm or smth. Cheers.
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Thank you very much for that.
I am going tomorrow to see it. Anything I should look after more specifically with Mitos when checking it. I dont have an obd2 reader so i won't be able to check that..
I wouldn't worry too much about not having an OBD2 reader. If it drives ok and there are no warning lights on, chances are it'll be fine in that regard.

I'd check for stone chips around the front of the rear wheel arches, as they protrude quite a lot and can get in a bit of a mess with age/mileage. Check the leading edge of the bonnet for the same. Make sure there's no water sloshing around in the bottoms of the doors or bootlid and no evidence of rust on the bottoms of the doors, bootlid or door sills as although MiTo's don't generally have rust problems, a few early ones let water get into these areas, which will have had an effect by now. Pretty rare problem though.

The other biggie is the power steering - give it a few twirls with the engine running and make sure it doesn't cut out or throw up a 'Steering Corrector Unavailable' or similar warning. Sometimes that's just the battery wearing out, sometimes it means the steering motor is dying.

They're not the quietest of cars over bumps and rough roads, but listen out for unusual clunks from the suspension, as parts can wear out quite quickly. Generally cheap to replace though.

Make sure all the electrical items work - the front window glass should drop a couple of centimetres when you open the doors and go back up when you close them, so make sure that happens. Check the fan works on all four speed settings, as the resistor pack can fail, meaning it only works on setting number 4, or not at all. Check the Alfa badge on the boot presses in and pops the boot up.

Other than that just a general look over. Find out if they replaced the water pump when they did the cambelt. No massive biggie if they didn't as i don't think they're particularly weak on the 1.4 TB 120 engine, though many people tend to do waterpump when changing the cambelt as some Fiat/Alfa waterpumps have been iffy in the past. It would've come with two remote keys when new so ideally it'll still have two.

That's all i can think of at the moment. Don't be too alarmed by the list - I'm mentioning everything I can think of, but my MiTo had a rattly brake calliper when i bought it then nothing else for 3 years, not even a light bulb failed. Just better to check everything! Good luck
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