Bleedin MAF - Alfa Romeo Forum
You are currently unregistered, register for more features.    
Reply
 
Thread Tools
(Post Link) post #1 of 29 Old 15-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

Bleedin MAF

How effing cruddy are Bosch mafs for the V6?
Previous owner fitted one less than 12 months ago and its gone already, L|ess than 5k miles done.
Sudden glitch for a good second, while tonking it at 5k rpm, idels very rough, hesitancy on pick up and Alfa diag confirms not working.
The pieburg maf in my Seat has been good for 5 years and 40k miles.
Aaargh
Hunting down cheapest TS CF2 to swop sensor. Any bargains known about?
CrispDust is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Status: Just when you thought it was safe mwahaha ;)
AO Gold Member
 
Alfa-Red's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Lancashire
Posts: 6,811
sure it was a bosch sensor?
Alfa-Red is offline  
0of0
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
^^What He said - not heard about a genuine one going so soon

What is Alfadiag telling you?
 
Status: AROC 916 Registrar
AO Gold Member
 
Mitch916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: United Kingdom
County: Kent
Posts: 8,916
I'm a little puzzled. Why do you want a TS CF2 MAF if it's a V6 MAF giving trouble?
Mitch916 is offline  
Status: "My other car'sa 166 TWO twice"
AO Gold Member
 
Pomeo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: United Kingdom
County: South Lanarkshire
Posts: 10,880
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch166 View Post
I'm a little puzzled. Why do you want a TS CF2 MAF if it's a V6 MAF giving trouble?

Awe naw not that old red kipper again

Or did you leave the 166 lounge too fast Mitch.

Pomeo
Pomeo is offline  
Status: Ex GTV owner
AO Member
 
Alexzver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Slovenia
County: Slovenia
Posts: 766

Member car:

Brera 2.4 JTDm

Isn't there a two-year warranty for new parts?
Alexzver is offline  
Status: AROC 916 Registrar
AO Gold Member
 
Mitch916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: United Kingdom
County: Kent
Posts: 8,916
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pomeo View Post

Awe naw not that old red kipper again

Or did you leave the 166 lounge too fast Mitch.

Pomeo
Must have done mate, missed this one!
Mitch916 is offline  
Status: Alfas gone, replaced with a Scooby import
AO Silver Member
 
davieb156's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: -
Posts: 1,642
Re: Bleedin MAF

There is a thread on here at the moment where someone has bought a vauxhall MAF for £58 took the sensor out of the housing and just replaced the sensor as it's the same part number as the sensor part on the V6 alfa .
I'd put the link on here but I'm using tapatalk on the iPhone and there's no link on it.
davieb156 is offline  
(Post Link) post #9 of 29 Old 15-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

Mitch - the sensor inside the TS maf is identical part and in fact identical to that fitted to Vauxhaul 1.7 diesels - the difference is the tube diameter, which affects the airflow over the sensor. Basically Bosch and parts companies shaft you for having a V6
Will get back with Alfadiag code/description. I've removed maf, cleaned it with electrical contact cleaner thoroughly, cleaned all contacts and put dieletric grease on.
Fault code returns seconds after clearing it.
CrispDust is offline  
Status: AROC 916 Registrar
AO Gold Member
 
Mitch916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: United Kingdom
County: Kent
Posts: 8,916


So are all TS sensors the same? The CF1 TS MAFs are really expensive, even compared to a CF2 TS MAF. It would be a right result to find out the sensors are identical.
Mitch916 is offline  
Status: Ex GTV owner
AO Member
 
Alexzver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Slovenia
County: Slovenia
Posts: 766

Member car:

Brera 2.4 JTDm

Sadly, they're not.

Edit:
Bosch 0280217111 is for CF1 212€
ALFA ROMEO
GTV Coupé (916)
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 04.95 > 09.00 AR 16201 CF2 [916] 04.95-03.98
Spider
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 04.95 > 09.00 AR 16201/32301 [916] 04.95-03.98
145
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 11.96 > 02.99 AR 67601 [930G97]
1.7i.e. 16V 96kW 04.94 > 11.96 AR 33401 [930]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 11.96 > 04.98 AR 67106 [930G97]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 05.98 > 02.99 AR 32201 [930G97]
2.0i.e. 16V T.S. 110kW 11.96 > 04.98 AR 67204 [930G97]
2.0i.e. 16V T.S. 110kW 05.98 > 02.99 AR 32301 Step A [930G97]
146
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 11.96 > 02.99 AR 67601 [930G97]
1.7i.e. 16V 96kW 12.94 > 11.96 AR 33401 [930]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 11.96 > 04.98 AR 67106 [930G97]
2.0 ti 16V T.S. 110kW 10.95 > 04.98 AR 32301 Step A [930G97]
2.0 ti 16V T.S. 110kW 10.95 > 04.98 AR 67204 [930G97]
2.0i.e. 16V T.S. 110kW 05.98 > 12.99 AR 32301 Step A [930G97]
155
1.6i 16V T.S. 85kW 05.96 > 10.97 AR 67601 [167G96]
1.8i 16V T.S. 100kW 05.96 > 10.97 AR 67106 [167G96]
2.0i 16V T.S. 110kW 05.96 > 10.97 AR 67204 [167G96]
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 03.95 > 04.96 AR 67204 [167]
156
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 46.98 > 09.00 AR32102 CF2 [932] 04.98-06.98
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 10.97 > 09.00 AR67601 CF2 [932] 10.97-06.98

Bosch 0281002309 is for CF2/3 111€

ALFA ROMEO
GTV Coupé (916)
1.8 T.S. 16V 106kW 03.98 > 12.00 AR 32201 CF2 [916] 10.00-12.00
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 06.00 > AR 32310 CF3 [916]
Spider
1.8 T.S. 16V 106kW 03.98 > 12.00 AR 32201 [916] 10.00-12.00
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 09.00 > AR 32310 CF3 [916]
147
1.6 TS 16V 88kW 11.00 > AR 32104 [937]
1.6 TS 16V ECO 77kW 11.00 > AR 37203 [937]
2.0 TS 16V 110kW 11.00 > AR 32310 [937]
2.0 JTS 16V 121kW 09.02 > 937A1.000 [937]
156
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR32103 CF3 [932]
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR32104 CF3 [932]
1.6 TS 16V Sport Wagon 88kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR32104 CF3 [932]
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 01.02 > AR32104 [932MY01]
1.6 TS 16V Sport Wagon 88kW 01.02 > AR32104 [932MY01]
1.8 TS 16V Berlina 106kW 00000000 > AR32205 [932MY01]
1.8 TS 16V Sport Wagon 106kW 00000000 > AR32205 CF3 [932]
1.8 TS 16V Berlina 106kW 00000000 > AR32205 CF3 [932]
1.8 TS 16V Sport Wagon 106kW 00000000 > AR32205 [932MY01]
1.9 JTD 80kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR37101 / 937A2000 [932]
1.9 JTD 85kW 01.02 > 937A2000 [932MY01]
2.0 TS 16V Berlina 114kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR32310 CF3 [932]
2.0 TS 16V Sport Wagon 114kW 09.00 > 12.01 AR32310 CF3 [932]
2.4 JTD 100kW 09.00 > 12.01 839A6000 CF3 [932]
2.4 JTD 110kW 01.02 > 841C000 [932MY01]
166
2.0 T.S. 16V 114kW 09.00 > AR 36301 CF3 [936]
2.4 JTD 100kW 09.00 > 839A6000/841C000 [936]

Bosch 0280218019 CF2 109€
ALFA ROMEO
GTV Coupé (916)
1.8 T.S. 16V 106kW 03.98 > 12.00 AR 32201 CF2 [916] 04.99-10.00
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 04.95 > 09.00 AR 16201 CF2 [916] 04.99-09.00
Spider
1.8 T.S. 16V 106kW 03.98 > 12.00 AR 32201 [916] 04.99-10.00
2.0 T.S. 16V 110kW 04.95 > 09.00 AR 16201/32301 [916] 04.99-09.00
145
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 67601 [930MY99]
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32102 [930MY99]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32201 [930MY99]
1.9 JTD 76kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32302 [930MY99]
1.9 JTD 76kW 05.98 > 03.99 AR 32302 [930G97]
2.0i.e. 16V T.S. 110kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32301 [930MY99]
146
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32102 [930MY99]
1.6i.e. 16V T.S. 88kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 67601 [930MY99]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 05.98 > 02.99 AR 32201 Step A [930G97]
1.8i.e. 16V T.S. 103kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32201 [930MY99]
1.9 JTD 76kW 05.98 > 12.99 AR 32302 [930G97]
1.9 JTD 76kW 02.99 > 12.00 AR 32302 [930MY99]
2.0 ti 16V T.S. 110kW 05.98 > 02.99 AR 32301 [930MY99]
156
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 46.98 > 09.00 AR32102 CF2 [932] 06.98-09.00
1.6 TS 16V Berlina 88kW 10.97 > 09.00 AR67601 CF2 [932] 06.98-09.00
1.6 TS 16V Sport Wagon 88kW 06.00 > 09.00 AR67601 CF2 [932]
1.8 TS 16V Berlina 106kW 05.99 > 09.00 AR32201 CF2 [932]
1.8 TS 16V Sport Wagon 106kW 00000000 > AR32201 CF2 [932]
1.9 JTD 76kW 19.97 > 09.00 AR32302 CF2 [932] 05.98->
2.0 TS 16V Sport Wagon 114kW 10.97 > 09.00 AR32301 CF2 [932]
2.0 TS 16V Berlina 114kW 06.00 > 09.00 AR32301 CF2 [932]
2.4 JTD 100kW 10.97 > 09.00 AR 32501 CF2 [932]
166
2.0 T.S. 16V 114kW 10.98 > 09.00 AR 34103 CF2 [936]
2.4 JTD 100kW 02.99 > AR34202 CF2 [936]

Not sure if the prices are the same in the UK as they are here.

Last edited by Alexzver; 15-04-10 at 20:57.
Alexzver is offline  
Status: AROC 916 Registrar
AO Gold Member
 
Mitch916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: United Kingdom
County: Kent
Posts: 8,916
Yes but those Bosh numbers are for the whole MAF unit. We know that they are listed differently for all the engine types. What this is about is the actual sensor part, not the outside body. looking on the 156 thread, it has been found that the V6 sensor is actually the same as the TS sensor. My question is, are all TS sensors the same?
Mitch916 is offline  
Davffc
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrispDust View Post
How effing cruddy are Bosch mafs for the V6?
Previous owner fitted one less than 12 months ago and its gone already, L|ess than 5k miles done.
Sudden glitch for a good second, while tonking it at 5k rpm, idels very rough, hesitancy on pick up and Alfa diag confirms not working.
The pieburg maf in my Seat has been good for 5 years and 40k miles.
Aaargh
Hunting down cheapest TS CF2 to swop sensor. Any bargains known about?
Just paid my local motor factors £ 70 for a cf2 bosch maf if that helps

Dav
 
Status: Ex GTV owner
AO Member
 
Alexzver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Slovenia
County: Slovenia
Posts: 766

Member car:

Brera 2.4 JTDm

Quote:
My question is, are all TS sensors the same?
No. There are 3 different types (at least)
Alexzver is offline  
(Post Link) post #15 of 29 Old 16-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

Mitch, the important number is the F ----- number stamped on the sensor itself
On the CF2 Twinkie /V6 most models its F 00C 262 030
Check what your exisitng sensor has on it
CrispDust is offline  
(Post Link) post #16 of 29 Old 25-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

Fitted my new maf - sensor from Astra 1.7CDI £64.00
Thats one hell of an expewnsive bit of eversoslightly wider pastic tube for V6.
Writing to Bosch to ask why they are ripping us off.
CrispDust is offline  
Status: Alfas gone, replaced with a Scooby import
AO Silver Member
 
davieb156's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: -
Posts: 1,642
Re: Bleedin MAF

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrispDust
Fitted my new maf - sensor from Astra 1.7CDI £64.00
Thats one hell of an expewnsive bit of eversoslightly wider pastic tube for V6.
Writing to Bosch to ask why they are ripping us off.

What year and model engine is your V6 as I need a new sensor for mine too.
davieb156 is offline  
(Post Link) post #18 of 29 Old 26-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

Its a 1999 Think its a CF2 as its flyby wire throttle with 2 lambdas (my 166 was a flyby wire with one lambda and 1999 and used same sensor)
Just take your sensor out and check if its F 00C 2G2 030 (not 262 as I put earlier)
Ignition light gone, no hesitation, full rev range and smooth idle all back.
So will be looking at refund from somewhere as have recipt for new maf less than 12 months old from previous owner.
CrispDust is offline  
Status: Alfas gone, replaced with a Scooby import
AO Silver Member
 
davieb156's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: -
Posts: 1,642
Re: Bleedin MAF

I'll do that, mines a 98, Cf2.
davieb156 is offline  
Status: Itchy modding fingers...
AO Member
 
darkangelv2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Hampshire
Posts: 263
2001 CF3 V6, i'm intrigued, which would i need?
darkangelv2 is offline  
cammy
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
sorry excuse my ignorance what is cf2 cf3 ?
 
Status: Alfas gone, replaced with a Scooby import
AO Silver Member
 
davieb156's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: -
Posts: 1,642
Re: Bleedin MAF

Cf2 and Cf3 are variations of engines. They are much the same but with a few tweaks here and there.
davieb156 is offline  
(Post Link) post #23 of 29 Old 26-04-10 Thread Starter
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Leeds England
Posts: 2,220

Member car:

GTV V6, ex 166er

darka ngel take your sensor out and check the number on it F----
CrispDust is offline  
cammy
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
thanks davie ok so i have a w reg 2000. 2ltr ts lusso would it be a cf2 i take it
 
Status: Alfas gone, replaced with a Scooby import
AO Silver Member
 
davieb156's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: -
Posts: 1,642
Re: Bleedin MAF

Here you go cammy, this the difference between them

http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_romeo_cf.shtml
davieb156 is offline  
Reply

Go Back   Alfa Romeo Forum > Supported Alfa Romeo Models > Technical & Vehicle Assistance > Alfa GTV & 916 Spider

Tags
bleedin , maf

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sick Bella - MAF failure and low oil pressure warning Ferryman_1957 Alfa GTA 17 08-08-08 22:22
strange New Maf problem Vesoljc Alfa 164 & 166 0 14-03-08 10:41
156 V6 won't rev AT ALL not MAF. Lotuschris Alfa 147, 156 & GT 55 05-01-08 18:35

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome