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OK so not strictly GTV / Spider related but I think we can all identify with this. Plus he does own a Spider.

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Hi Stuart, its me!
I’m featuring a GTV V6 rebuild in the next video, out this weekend. I’m also asking forum folk what they’d like to see covered and so far, restorations and “more nudity” (not by me), have got the biggest number of votes!
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and free beer.....dont forget the free beer
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Episode three is now uploaded and available here:

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like driving around in gwyneth paltrow.....

ooh matron!
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Thanks a lot, appreciate the feedback. It's still early days for my channel but there are 3 vids uploaded so far, hoping to post a new one every week.
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Cheers for that. You also own my three favourite Alfa's! Lucky man
Thanks, indeed I'm very fortunate. None of them is on the road atm unfortunately but I'm playing the long game here
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Subscribed! - Would love to see a 166 featured in future episodes , she's a gem which needs more coverage and love..
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Subscribed! - Would love to see a 166 featured in future episodes , she's a gem which needs more coverage and love..
Good suggestion. The 166 is now languishing in the price doldrums, like the 164 and the 145 etc etc before it. After a while and when enough of them have been scrapped, interest and prices will rise again. I’m guessing that you have one?? 😁
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Cheers for that. You also own my three favourite Alfa's! Lucky man [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/images/smilies/thumbup.gif[/IMG]
Thanks, indeed I'm very fortunate. None of them is on the road atm unfortunately but I'm playing the long game here <img src="https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
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...and now, part 1 of my secret affair with a 4C.....part 2 next week!
Thanks for watching as always.
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Hi folks, hope you all hada good Easter. Part 2 of the 4C test is now live - hope you enjoy it as much as I did!

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The 4C an absolute Objet d'art but no where near the pure driver's car I thought it would be. I had two half days in one last year or year before. The shape, the road presence, the colour, the carbon tub, the noise, the straightline acceleration etc; I was bowled over.

Driving fast A roads and Motorways with straights and big sweeping bends were great, but the concept of this car is all about B roads and the twisties/the track; the B roads and tight A roads were not as fun as I thought they would be. The car's steering felt weirdly dull and I felt unconnected to what the car was doing, the car tramlined and repeatedly bounced and altered course on undulating roads; this was both scary and unnerving. The power was fantastic (in a straight line as was the noise) but I was unable to use it on the twisties because of the on/off non linear feel to the power delivery (more practice needed I guess), this coupled with the handling issues meant I could not get to grips with the car and use it to it's or more probably my potential, whichever I was left feeling underwhelmed. I understand a handling kit is available to try and cure some of the issues.

At home I debated whether to go for one and decided that the car as a pure driver's car failed to deliver (in OE handling spec of the two cars I had driven) and for nigh on £40K gave me no more than my VX220 in fact I reckon much less so. I would have one but it would need to have had some of the mods undertaken and be well South of £30K. I share Pistonheads review of it ultimately the car looks stunning, especially so on the lawns at Hever with AROC but it is ultimately for posers and not drivers; it is for many what it 'says' not what it 'does' or can 'do', but then I would say that driving a Vauxhall
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The 4C an absolute Objet d'art but no where near the pure driver's car I thought it would be. I had two half days in one last year or year before. The shape, the road presence, the colour, the carbon tub, the noise, the straightline acceleration etc; I was bowled over.

Driving fast A roads and Motorways with straights and big sweeping bends were great, but the concept of this car is all about B roads and the twisties/the track; the B roads and tight A roads were not as fun as I thought they would be. The car's steering felt weirdly dull and I felt unconnected to what the car was doing, the car tramlined and repeatedly bounced and altered course on undulating roads; this was both scary and unnerving. The power was fantastic (in a straight line as was the noise) but I was unable to use it on the twisties because of the on/off non linear feel to the power delivery (more practice needed I guess), this coupled with the handling issues meant I could not get to grips with the car and use it to it's or more probably my potential, whichever I was left feeling underwhelmed. I understand a handling kit is available to try and cure some of the issues.

At home I debated whether to go for one and decided that the car as a pure driver's car failed to deliver (in OE handling spec of the two cars I had driven) and for nigh on £40K gave me no more than my VX220 in fact I reckon much less so. I would have one but it would need to have had some of the mods undertaken and be well South of £30K. I share Pistonheads review of it ultimately the car looks stunning, especially so on the lawns at Hever with AROC but it is ultimately for posers and not drivers; it is for many what it 'says' not what it 'does' or can 'do', but then I would say that driving a Vauxhall
Fair comment - I only had a couple of hours in the car, so less time than you. I note that you also own a GTV V6 however, which you could level exactly the same handling accusations against - didn't stop you buying that! (I own 2 x GTV V6's (Coupe & Spider), so I have had plenty of experience of them.)

For me, part of the pleasure of owning my GTV's is completing the "development" of them, to make them into the drivers cars that they always should have been and I'd be happy to do the same with the 4C.
P.S. I also really like the VX220!
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Good point.

I do like cars that are deemed underdogs/marmite or non-perfect but that with a fettle and use of Forums actually start to perform better, not solely the power of the car but the feel that you are driving and connected with the car and enjoying it's performance; a lot of modern stuff feels much like it could all do it all itself and you are just the legal ballast.

Yes you're right the GTV has foibles but for what it is a fast GT Coupe it drives and performs remarkably well. the power delivery together with the Q2/GTA clutch is lovely and linear and the feels as if it is available almost everywhere, guess the beauty of a big capacity NA engine. I have had the rear fully polybushed with the black series and it has had the full on 4 wheel alignment job/set up with Autolusso. The car handles very well, obviously it cannot be pushed as hard as a the VX but it corners fantastically the Q2 is a revelation. What I am aware of having driven other examples of the V6, Coupe 20vt and VX that many are tired, not maintained as needed and the handling and performance just isn't there.

Dropping £40K I would want the 4C to do it out of the box to be honest (remap, handling kit etc), as spending more on a such a car to do what it should in OE spec would be of huge financial concern, so if it was currently priced to reflect it's foibles rather than it's beauty it would be most tempting.
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I agree that for £40k, the 4C should be more than just a smooth A-road blaster. A GTV is less than a quarter of the price, which makes it a much easier decision to buy one! (or even two)
The 4C is pretty unique though - name me another car which matches it for looks, construction and drama? (Don't say a Lotus, unless you love Toyotas too!)
Sorry but I would still sell a kidney to buy one!
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I was running through this same debate in my head a week or two back. I love the look of the 4C and the sound it makes. I have never owned an exotic like this so I was trying to convince myself that I should buy one now, whilst I am still flexible enough to get in and out (I'll be 59 this year).

So I spent an evening reading reviews and watching YouTube videos, particularly ones focusing on the practicality of living with one. And in the end I came to the conclusion that I'm better off with the V6 916 Spider.

Rationale:

I live very close to a very uneven level crossing. I ground the Spider if I'm not careful. I am pretty certain the 4C would ground every time. Or get stuck

I also have to cross a narrow bridge on my way out, with just enough room for two normal cars to pass. Not a problem with the Spider but the 4C is allegedly wider than a Range Rover! The same applies to my garage - I can park next to my wife's car and have room to open the door and get out. The 4C would be an issue.

The 4C is just not practical. My wife and I went out the other day. We chucked the coats, bags etc. on the parcel shelf, enjoyed the roomy cabin, and on the way back had a boot full of purchases. This just isn't possible in the 4C - no interior storage (no glove box!) and tiny boot.

Now I have changed the springs and shocks the Spider is a very comfortable car for a long drive. Admittedly I haven't driven the 4C but reports suggest it is definitely a sporty ride, not a grand tourer.

I love the sound and responsiveness of the V6

As others have commented, I wouldn't be happy spending that much money to then have to spend more getting it sorted. Tramlining should not be a problem in a modern sports car.

So I have convinced myself that I should stick with the 916. And, having saved £40k by not buying a 4C, man-maths says I now have this to spend on improving the 916 or buying other toys
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Sounds like a very carefully thought out piece of "man-maths" there Nick! Agree completely on the practicality side - if you bought a 4C, you'd need somewhere to store it safely, somwhere nearby to drive it without damaging it, preferably with smooth fast roads and you wouldn't want to use it for any touring or long journeys - it's simply a handful at any speed and on any road!

Get your Spider some presents instead!
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