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Another Oil Thread - Petrol MultiAir!

I have noted that there have been a number of oil threads regarding suppliers and specification of oil to be used on the 170hp 1.4 Multiair engine. They all (generally!) seem to agree that you should be using 5w40 acea c3 oil (Selenia K PE seems to be the accepted OEM option - other oils are available and argued over!)

Having recently purchased my G and reading through the manual (as you do) I came across this on page 247 of the handbook:

Lubricant for
petrol engines
(1.4 Turbo MultiAir
versions)
(41)
SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 grade totally synthetic
lubricant
FIAT 9.55535-GS1 classification

SELENIA DIGITEK P.E.
Contractual Technical
Reference no. F020.B12
According to
Scheduled Servicing
Plan

The link to the Selenia oils technical data is:

FL SELENIA - Fluids and Lubricants

The technical data notes that the oil is for twin-air engines (not multiair).

The Mito multiair units seem to require Selenia Star PE 5w-40 acea c3

Eh!! what!! This seems significantly different from what all the other threads have stated (even where there are differences of opinion). I have asked at my local dealer (Western Alfa, Perth) and they use 5W40 acea C3 castrol oil that meets the FIAT spec 9.55535-s2.

Does anyone know what is going on? Has the spec changed but the dealers haven't been told?

As the handbook states that the use of the wrong specification oil can invalidate the warranty is everyone who has been using 5w40 out of luck if the multiair unit goes pop?

There seems to be a lot of confusion about oil and I would like to know what everyone else thinks about this!

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Check latest manual here (page 224).
http://aftersales.fiat.com/eLumData/...06.13_L_LG.pdf

Clearly an error in your manual.

Edit: Sorry, that is MiTo, give me a minute!!
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That does seam to be an error in the latest G manual, not the first time that has happened either.... 159 manuals were wrong for a few years and they got the bulbs wrong in the GT manual too!
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look for either FIAT 9.55535-S2 or MB229.51 spec in 5W40 vicosity range and you're good. MB22.51 and FIAT 9.55535-S2 are pretty much the same spec (and about as high as you can get). You'll have a better chance of finding an approved MB spec though... "Meets 9.55535-S2" does NOT mean approved, so caveat emptor!

At the Mitsubishi and Hyundai delaership I'm working we use Castrol Magnatec Professional 5w-40 which seems to tick all the boxes though personally I use Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel 5w-40 which is a step up from Magnatec.

And before someone will notice: yes, the manual for the diesels calls for a 5W-30 oil and Fiat 9.55535-S1 spec, but I don't care so much for the fuel saving properties and like the extra protection of the 9.55535-S2 spec and higher high temp viscosity.
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In my opinion and from my own experience the term 'manufacturer's warranty' doesn't really mean what you think it means nor does the term 'approved'.

The warranty is with the supplying dealer.
Any guarantee of workmanship is with the dealer.
Dealers can use alternative parts.
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In my opinion and from my own experience the term 'manufacturer's warranty' doesn't really mean what you think it means nor does the term 'approved'.

The warranty is with the supplying dealer.
Any guarantee of workmanship is with the dealer.
Dealers can use alternative parts.
I thought the third year of the manufacturer warranty back a dealer warranty?
Your rights as a buyer of the car are with the dealer.
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I thought the third year of the manufacturer warranty back a dealer warranty?
Your rights as a buyer of the car are with the dealer.
I don't follow your first sentence.

Exactly there is very little the manufacturer is responsible for with regards aftersales
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I don't follow your first sentence.

Exactly there is very little the manufacturer is responsible for with regards aftersales
Sorry, it becomes A dealer warranty after two years!
The manufacturer can only tell a dealer what it should be doing, generally after you've had to enquire . Ultimately they can lose their franchise , I imagine . But my last experience ,of having to ask Alfa if their dealer had made a mistake by adding an additive to the oil, they compensated me having told the dealer never to do it again . The dealer said they could only apologise . This would not make the manufacturer happy .
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My experiences of Alfa Romeo UK tend to be similar to the vast majority on here.
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When my dealer used the wrong spec oil and changed it (at their cost, of course) they said that if it had not been spotted and there was subsequently any problem with the multiair unit they would have been responsible for the repairs.
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When my dealer used the wrong spec oil and changed it (at their cost, of course) they said that if it had not been spotted and there was subsequently any problem with the multiair unit they would have been responsible for the repairs.
Make sure you have that in writing
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Make sure you have that in writing
No need there has been another oil change since then. This occured in June '12
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Hopefully there is no long term effect.
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That does seam to be an error in the latest G manual, not the first time that has happened either.... 159 manuals were wrong for a few years and they got the bulbs wrong in the GT manual too!
Thanks for all the replies. I think you have hit the nail on the head and it's an error. However for something that Alfa state is critical for the engine they could at least make sure their spec was correct. I' ll be using the dealer in the warranty period initially so at least should take reponsibility for any issues (I hope).
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. I' ll be using the dealer in the warranty period initially so at least should take reponsibility for any issues (I hope).
I wouldn't worry Western are very good plus the guy that will probably service your car is on here.
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I wouldn't worry Western are very good plus the guy that will probably service your car is on here.



Who ever do you mean.............
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Who ever do you mean.............
No names no pack drill.


But are you going to fix my sat nav on Thursday?
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Short answer no,

Long answer of course we will, don't we always fix things.....


Alfa tec is back on Thursday anyway so I'm sure he will, I'm fully booked with the Merc stuff just now.
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