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I have a 5 digit registration number which will legally fit onto a smaller size plate. I'd like to get the Italian sized plate on the front, but I'm not sure how the car comes delivered from factory.

Does it come without any plate mount at all, leaving the dealer to select the correct size mount? Or does it come with a small size as standard which then is modified by UK dealers during PDI?

If it comes with a small size as standard, what are the dimensions of this?

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Ask @Scotital he has a 5 digit plate and got the Italian size mount from EB spares I think.
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If you're buying a new car, get the plate and number plate sorted out before the dealer PDI's the car.. so that they can fit your plates to the car.

If you do it post-delivery you might find the UK sized back-plate may have marked the paint.. or the dealer may drill holes to fit it which then remain visible.


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Yes, @cassino (I like it !) I'm the self appointed 'geek' on this subject and yes, I have a 5 character plate precisely to keep the front of my Giulia looking as close as possible to the way the Italians intended.

Notice that the front bumper has 2 removable plugs, one on the offside as usual covering the towing eye aperture and another identical on the nearside. The number plate mounting plinth has a protrusion on the back of it which positively locates into this nearside 'hole' and is secured onto the bumper using 4 x self tapping screws.

There are 2 different plinths available; UK cars (and cars destined for other jurisdictions which also use horrendous long reg. plates, e.g. D, NL, B) are supplied as standard with a 550mm long plinth (standard UK plates are 520 mm long).

Cars for Italy and other markets which use aesthetically pleasing short plates are supplied with a 375 mm long plinth but if you want one of those, you will have to obtain it from e.g. EB Spares, but it is a standard Alfa part so dealer should be able to provide.

NOTE: If you plan to fit the short plinth, DO NOT allow the dealer to fit the standard long plinth first otherwise you'll be left with raggedy screw holes on your bumper which the short plinth will not cover. FYI, I obtained my plates from platesforcars.co.uk who do a 330 mm long version which is close to Italian std front plate which is 325 mm exc. Euroflash. FYI, that was fine for my reg. no. which has a '1' in it but strictly speaking, you need a plate of 338 mm minimum length if your characters don't include a '1'.

As background, I believe that because Giulia is a 'world car' to be sold also in jurisdictions which don't require a front plate at all, that explains why there is no pre-moulded area on the bumper; hence the need for mounting plinths, the two sizes of which between them seem to cater for all markets.
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I told my dealer to not put any number plate mount on and send him a kit to mount the number plate with velcro
(pics can be seen in the giulia qv pictures thread)
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I told my dealer to not put any number plate mount on and send him a kit to mount the number plate with velcro
(pics can be seen in the giulia qv pictures thread)
I think the problem with Germany (!!) and other N European countries (tell me if I'm wrong) is that you must have plates of a specified size and design.
In UK, there is no minimum size of plate as long as the characters are correct size and spacing. AND, we can elect to have any number of characters from one to seven depending upon how much we want to pay for private reg. numbers. Therefore, we can have different (physical) lengths of plate so can keep to the Italian 'look and feel'
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Could just try your luck with miniaturised stick on plates I've seen on quite a few 4Cs.
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I think the problem with Germany (!!) and other N European countries (tell me if I'm wrong) is that you must have plates of a specified size and design.
In UK, there is no minimum size of plate as long as the characters are correct size and spacing. AND, we can elect to have any number of characters from one to seven depending upon how much we want to pay for private reg. numbers. Therefore, we can have different (physical) lengths of plate so can keep to the Italian 'look and feel'
In Germany it is up to the local government on how many digits are allowed. In Stuttgart you can go down to 5 digits without special permission (with you can go down to four). You can of course adjust the length of the number plate to the number of digits. Mine has a length of 406mm whereas the standard one in germany is 520mm. This goes without special permission or discussions at the TV/MOT

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Everything Scotital says is I think spot on! Truly a Guru on the subject.

I would just add, that having wrestled with the same issue, I decided that the best way to make the 5 digit UK plate fit exactly on the Italian plinth was to cut down a standard length UK front plate to the size required, as he says, 375mm long. So if you don't want to use Plates for Cars or they can't quite fit your digits into their 330mm plate size legally, then you can always use the cutting down method and thus get a plate that precisely fits the plinth. Cutting is easy. Just score the back of the plate with a box cutter, cut the plate itself with a hacksaw (I avoided using a disc cutter because of potential heat issues) small 45 degree corner cuts and file corners round, and then lightly chamfer the cut edges, of which there will obviously be two number. There still isn't space to include a Euroflash though, at least not with my digits.

My dealer ordered the plinth for me, received it, and emailed through the size.

So now I've got an Italian plinth, UK plates all prepared, but no car to put them on! One day.
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Yes, @cassino (I like it !) I'm the self appointed 'geek' on this subject and yes, I have a 5 character plate precisely to keep the front of my Giulia looking as close as possible to the way the Italians intended.

Notice that the front bumper has 2 removable plugs, one on the offside as usual covering the towing eye aperture and another identical on the nearside. The number plate mounting plinth has a protrusion on the back of it which positively locates into this nearside 'hole' and is secured onto the bumper using 4 x self tapping screws.

There are 2 different plinths available; UK cars (and cars destined for other jurisdictions which also use horrendous long reg. plates, e.g. D, NL, B) are supplied as standard with a 550mm long plinth (standard UK plates are 520 mm long).

Cars for Italy and other markets which use aesthetically pleasing short plates are supplied with a 375 mm long plinth but if you want one of those, you will have to obtain it from e.g. EB Spares, but it is a standard Alfa part so dealer should be able to provide.

NOTE: If you plan to fit the short plinth, DO NOT allow the dealer to fit the standard long plinth first otherwise you'll be left with raggedy screw holes on your bumper which the short plinth will not cover. FYI, I obtained my plates from platesforcars.co.uk who do a 330 mm long version which is close to Italian std front plate which is 325 mm exc. Euroflash. FYI, that was fine for my reg. no. which has a '1' in it but strictly speaking, you need a plate of 338 mm minimum length if your characters don't include a '1'.

As background, I believe that because Giulia is a 'world car' to be sold also in jurisdictions which don't require a front plate at all, that explains why there is no pre-moulded area on the bumper; hence the need for mounting plinths, the two sizes of which between them seem to cater for all markets.
I'm a bit confused because I would expect to see the plinth extend each side of the number plate (520mm on 550mm plinth, or 325mm on 375mm plinth). But in all the pictures I've see, I can't see this, the number plate seems to be flush with the plinth. Could somebody point me to a clear picture where it is obvious to see the plinth?

Or, is it possible to simply stick the number plate to the bumper using double sided padded tape, avoiding the need for a plinth at all? That seems to be what I'm seeing in pictures, but uncertain.

Are the heights of the two plinths the same?

@compert, do you have a link to the velcro kit you bought?

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My dealer is under strict instructions not to fit any number plates to the front! I'll fit one myself (maybe ) when I collect. Hate when people screw/drill through bodywork!
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Everything Scotital says is I think spot on! Truly a Guru on the subject.

I would just add, that having wrestled with the same issue, I decided that the best way to make the 5 digit UK plate fit exactly on the Italian plinth was to cut down a standard length UK front plate to the size required, as he says, 375mm long. So if you don't want to use Plates for Cars or they can't quite fit your digits into their 330mm plate size legally, then you can always use the cutting down method and thus get a plate that precisely fits the plinth. Cutting is easy. Just score the back of the plate with a box cutter, cut the plate itself with a hacksaw (I avoided using a disc cutter because of potential heat issues) small 45 degree corner cuts and file corners round, and then lightly chamfer the cut edges, of which there will obviously be two number. There still isn't space to include a Euroflash though, at least not with my digits.

My dealer ordered the plinth for me, received it, and emailed through the size.

So now I've got an Italian plinth, UK plates all prepared, but no car to put them on! One day.
The only teensy weensy little technicality concerning standard no. plate cut down is that the BS145d stuff on the lower right corner (which is part of the legal requirement but really, is anyone without a microscope going to notice?) will be cut off. But overall, I have come to the conclusion that cutting down a std plate is the best way to go because that way you get sharp (or very small radius) corners, just like an Italian plate, and it will be exactly the size you want.
Ah, and just one other little aggro. Even the short plinth is significantly curved towards the outer end so get hold of the plinth in advance and carefully heat-bend the plate to suit, otherwise it won't look so neat

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The only teensy weensy little technicality concerning standard no. plate cut down is that the BS145d stuff on the lower right corner (which is part of the legal requirement but really, is anyone without a microscope going to notice?) will be cut off. But overall, I have come to the conclusion that cutting down a std plate is the best way to go because that way you get sharp (or very small radius) corners, just like an Italian plate, and it will be exactly the size you want.
Yes! That is also correct. I was on the verge of mentioning it in my previous post but thought I'd gone into too much detail already. If anyone is concerned about absolute 100% legality though, it is a consideration that should be made.

That is also good Guru-ing.
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Yes, @cassino (I like it !) I'm the self appointed 'geek' on this subject and yes, I have a 5 character plate precisely to keep the front of my Giulia looking as close as possible to the way the Italians intended.

Notice that the front bumper has 2 removable plugs, one on the offside as usual covering the towing eye aperture and another identical on the nearside. The number plate mounting plinth has a protrusion on the back of it which positively locates into this nearside 'hole' and is secured onto the bumper using 4 x self tapping screws.

There are 2 different plinths available; UK cars (and cars destined for other jurisdictions which also use horrendous long reg. plates, e.g. D, NL, B) are supplied as standard with a 550mm long plinth (standard UK plates are 520 mm long).

Cars for Italy and other markets which use aesthetically pleasing short plates are supplied with a 375 mm long plinth but if you want one of those, you will have to obtain it from e.g. EB Spares, but it is a standard Alfa part so dealer should be able to provide.

NOTE: If you plan to fit the short plinth, DO NOT allow the dealer to fit the standard long plinth first otherwise you'll be left with raggedy screw holes on your bumper which the short plinth will not cover. FYI, I obtained my plates from platesforcars.co.uk who do a 330 mm long version which is close to Italian std front plate which is 325 mm exc. Euroflash. FYI, that was fine for my reg. no. which has a '1' in it but strictly speaking, you need a plate of 338 mm minimum length if your characters don't include a '1'.

As background, I believe that because Giulia is a 'world car' to be sold also in jurisdictions which don't require a front plate at all, that explains why there is no pre-moulded area on the bumper; hence the need for mounting plinths, the two sizes of which between them seem to cater for all markets.
Brilliant and incredibly useful information @Scotital - you're exactly the reason I joined this forum!

I'm collecting a Giulia QV on 1st March and have been pondering the number plate issue. How will a 330mm plate on a 375mm plinth look. Will the gaps at the edge look bad? I haven't been able to find your photos.
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Brilliant and incredibly useful information @Scotital - you're exactly the reason I joined this forum!

I'm collecting a Giulia QV on 1st March and have been pondering the number plate issue. How will a 330mm plate on a 375mm plinth look. Will the gaps at the edge look bad? I haven't been able to find your photos.
Glad you're finding this useful and enjoyable...the Alfa offset front plate thing has always been a specialist subject of mine!

I have a 330 mm front plate and yes, you're right, there is a 20mm area of plinth exposed on each side. My Giulia is Monza red so it is quite dark and the plinth doesn't show up much but on a lighter colour might irk. I haven't posted any photos but perhaps I can do that tomorrow.
Like I said, I'm coming to the conclusion that a cut-down standard plate might be the way to go...unless you can find a source for a plate made to your exact requirement e.g. Red Dot, but they are quite expensive...and I haven't used them personally...
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As stated earlier, a 330 mm plate does leave 20mm of exposed plinth on each side, this is not unsightly on Monza Red but might be on lighter colours
Also note significant curve about 1/4 back from outside edge, best if plate is heat-bent before fixing.
Also note that double sided tape does not adhere well to the plastic plinth, hence need for screws.

To clarify a point raised earlier about depth (height) of UK plates, this is 111mm (character height 89mm + 11mm min. margins at top and bottom)
Official Italian size is 107 mm so if you want to be 100% UK legal, you need to live with the extra 4mm
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To clarify a point raised earlier about depth (height) of UK plates, this is 111mm (character height 89mm + 11mm min. margins at top and bottom)
Official Italian size is 107 mm so if you want to be 100% UK legal, you need to live with the extra 4mm
Character height for UK car plates is 79mm
So 79 + 11 + 11 = 101mm plate height.
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Character height for UK car plates is 79mm
So 79 + 11 + 11 = 101mm plate height.
Yes, apologies, you are absolutely correct that min. legal height is 101mm although UK standard plates are 111 mm high. So contrary to my earlier assertion about having to live with the extra 4mm beyond Italian plate height, you don't - provided you are prepared to cut along the longer top and bottom edges.

Thanks @David C for picking up on my careless misinformation.
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Thanks for those photos, it helps explain a lot.

So just to confirm, maximum size for the smaller plinth is 375mm x 107mm?

Does the plinth have a raised bezel, or is it completely flat (ignoring the slight curvature)?

Can the number plate screw into the plinth only, or must it screw through both bumper and plinth?
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This would be the velcro kit
https://www.3d-kennzeichen.de/easy-f...a-nachruestset

And here are some more pictures how it looks like in the car
And no worries about going fast, this is rock solid




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This would be the velcro kit
https://www.3d-kennzeichen.de/easy-f...a-nachruestset

And here are some more pictures how it looks like in the car
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Is that velcro'd to the plinth, or did you omit the plinth and velcro straight to the bumper?
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Thanks for those photos, it helps explain a lot.

So just to confirm, maximum size for the smaller plinth is 375mm x 107mm?

Does the plinth have a raised bezel, or is it completely flat (ignoring the slight curvature)?

Can the number plate screw into the plinth only, or must it screw through both bumper and plinth?
For clarification, plinth is 115 x 375 mm, it is completely flat (ignoring curvature) so you could fit plates which are bigger than the plinth. I have screwed my 111 x 330mm plate only onto the plinth using 10mm screws to avoid going into the bumper - although of course there are 4 x screws which fix the plinth to the bumper.

My observation about the German 'general purpose' solution: the plate doesn't appear to be attached in the 'official' Alfa position but appears to be closer to the centre of the car where the bumper is flatter. Also note that double sided tape (or normal Velcro tape) sticks extremely well to painted bodywork and to number plates but is not good on Alfa's plastic plinths, hence my use of screws to augment tape.
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It is straight to the bumper, no plith installed.
I guess it will become a bit more difficult if you are using alonger numberplate but the dealer did really like it like this as well and is recommending it to other buyers


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