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Corsas should be no issue in the rain at this time of year.
depends how much rain and how fast your going round a roundabout...



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Quick question, I noticed your all referring to either 285 or 295 for preferred tyre width on the QV, I have a Veloce but added the 19" QV wheels during order at the dealer. On delivery I noticed the Pirelli's on the rear are only 255/35's. Is this standard for the QV?
Standard for Quadrifoglio rears are 285/30 19. Some owners are fitting 295s or 275s. In my opinion, the 275 is too narrow.

I'm guessing the rear wheels you've got are not the 10" width of the Quadrifoglio?

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Standard for Quadrifoglio rears are 285/30 19. Some owners are fitting 295s or 275s. In my opinion, the 275 is too narrow.

I'm guessing the rear wheels you've got are not the 10" width of the Quadrifoglio?

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I am not sure to be honest? When I ordered the vehicle I added the 19" 5 hole Silver QV wheels as an option and had the dealer paint them in the same dark grey as standard on the QV. I just assumed that the tyre and alloy size would be the same as on the QV, but its interesting reading your comments. To be honest, I did think the alloy looked quite wide for the 255 tyre. I am being cautious when I park near kerbs to avoid scuffing the rims. I will try and get a photo of rears and post it shortly.
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I am not sure to be honest? When I ordered the vehicle I added the 19" 5 hole Silver QV wheels as an option and had the dealer paint them in the same dark grey as standard on the QV. I just assumed that the tyre and alloy size would be the same as on the QV, but its interesting reading your comments. To be honest, I did think the alloy looked quite wide for the 255 tyre. I am being cautious when I park near kerbs to avoid scuffing the rims. I will try and get a photo of rears and post it shortly.
there is a 5 hole qv style wheel available as an option for the veloce, sized for the veloce, so they might not be qv spec wheels.
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there is a 5 hole qv style wheel available as an option for the veloce, sized for the veloce, so they might not be qv spec wheels.
Ah ok, that would explain it then, I have a Veloce. Didnt realise that the QV alloys came in two different widths at 19"
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Ah ok, that would explain it then, I have a Veloce. Didnt realise that the QV alloys came in two different widths at 19"
QV wheels come in one size for the QV, the Veloce QV Style alloys come in a different size.
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QV wheels come in one size for the QV, the Veloce QV Style alloys come in a different size.[/QUOTE]

I understand, there are two different size 19” QV wheels.
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Sottozeros off today, Corsas on. Happy Days!
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depends how much rain and how fast your going round a roundabout...



Perhaps driving according to the conditions is the watchword, which will also definitely help in ditch avoidance!

#ROADCRAFT!
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Sottozeros off today, Corsas on. Happy Days!


I think I will go this way too. Stick with the tyres designed for the car.


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I think I will go this way too. Stick with the tyres designed for the car.


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They were not designed for the car.

The P Zero Corsa is a full trackday tyre, not available in QF sizes.

The P Zero Corsa system (which is whats homologated for the QF) is a semi track day tyre, same as the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport R and the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. These will struggle to disperse water and build temperature on the road.

The comparable tyres to the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S are the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport and the plain Pirelli P Zero. These are road tyres, capable of dispersing water at a safe level and operating within a good temperature range. They are what should have been fitted to the QF.

https://news.goodyear.eu/public-debu...tor-show-2019/

https://www.oponeo.ie/tyres-list/michelin-tyres

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...talogue/summer

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They were not designed for the car.

The P Zero Corsa is a full trackday tyre, not available in QF sizes.

The P Zero Corsa system (which is whats homologated for the QF) is a semi track day tyre, same as the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport R and the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. These will struggle to disperse water and build temperature on the road.

The comparable tyres to the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S are the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport and the plain Pirelli P Zero. These are road tyres, capable of dispersing water at a safe level and operating within a good temperature range. They are what should have been fitted to the QF.

https://news.goodyear.eu/public-debu...tor-show-2019/

https://www.oponeo.ie/tyres-list/michelin-tyres

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...talogue/summer
I've had P-Zeros (of the non-Corsa variety) on several cars before. Woeful tyres and would never buy a set. The Pilot Supersport is a much better tyre in the rain even though you categorised it above a not a road tyre.
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He mentions several times that he has spacers fitted on his car. Then he complains that the Michelins are sticking out too far /facepalm

This pic shows a car with standard suspension, no spacers, MPS4S 295 on the rear and 245 on the front.

https://i.postimg.cc/jjQwRH1f/Fine.jpg

They look just fine.
From memory wasn't his issue that they stick out over the edge of the rim rather than stick out of the car too much i.e. removing spacers won't make the tyre sit further back onto the rim.
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They were not designed for the car.
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Pirelli seem to think they designed the AR version of the Corsas for the Quadrifoglio:

https://www.pirelli.com/global/en-ww...i-p-zero-corsa

Interesting comments on wet handling and aqua planning too.


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Pirelli seem to think they designed the AR version of the Corsas for the Quadrifoglio:

https://www.pirelli.com/global/en-ww...i-p-zero-corsa

Interesting comments on wet handling and aqua planning too.


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So the Alfa designated corsa tyre should have AR on the sidewall. ? Any other corsa tyre is thus different?

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So the Alfa designated corsa tyre should have AR on the sidewall. ? Any other corsa tyre is thus different?

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Pirelli seem to think they designed the AR version of the Corsas for the Quadrifoglio:

https://www.pirelli.com/global/en-ww...i-p-zero-corsa

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They adapted it. Still a semi trackday tyre. Still a crap tyre.
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I've had P-Zeros (of the non-Corsa variety) on several cars before. Woeful tyres and would never buy a set. The Pilot Supersport is a much better tyre in the rain even though you categorised it above a not a road tyre.
I believe you. I didn't categorise it as not a road tyre, its a semi trackday tyre, meaning its compromised in its performance to be good on track and road. The manufacturers categorise them as such. The key word is compromise. Michelin just handle the compromise better.

Every equivalent Michelin tyre to Pirelli's effort is significantly better. The MP4S is a better tyre than the AR Corsa, so undoubtedly the Supersport is too. Pirelli made good calendars, they should have stuck to that.
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Mine arrived today.

Looking forward to getting them fitted!
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I've had P-Zeros (of the non-Corsa variety) on several cars before. Woeful tyres and would never buy a set. The Pilot Supersport is a much better tyre in the rain even though you categorised it above a not a road tyre.
There is a completely new P-Zero out there, which is much better: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...s-sheet/p-zero

And this is the old one: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...ts-sheet/pzero
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I've had P-Zeros (of the non-Corsa variety) on several cars before. Woeful tyres and would never buy a set. The Pilot Supersport is a much better tyre in the rain even though you categorised it above a not a road tyre.
There is a completely new P-Zero out there, which is much better: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...s-sheet/p-zero

And this is the old one: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...ts-sheet/pzero
But the new Pirelli Zero not available in right size for the QV. I'm sticking to plan A and getting the Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport.
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They adapted it. Still a semi trackday tyre. Still a crap tyre.
Not quite right Hugh. The P Zero Corsa AR is an awesome tyre ........ when in the right operating window, which is very narrow.

It is also not a good track day tyre based on the feedback from some on here - they get shredded too easily. Personally, I don't think it is billed as a semi track day tyre - it is just an extreme road tyre.

The MPS4Ss are great - better than the Corsa ARs 95%+ of the time. I'm looking forward to hearing how the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersports are as another viable option. I won't be going back to Corsas.
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But the new Pirelli Zero not available in right size for the QV. I'm sticking to plan A and getting the Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport.
Correct, but new P-Zero is in the same category as Goodyear Asymmetric 5 (UHP tyres). The GY Supersport however is UUHP tyre, just like the Michelin 4S.
So even if the new P-Zero would be available in correct size, UUHP tyres like GY Supersport would always be a better choice for 500hp cars.
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Was just about to mention the Goodyear F1 Supersport is out in our size. Always found them to be excellent tyres. They also do an R version for occasional track day use, and an RS for purely track use.
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