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Aux belt cnap caused cam belt to slip - dead 166 - now what to buy?

Sunday night - driving along - accelerating out of a 30 zone and suddenly it sounds like I have picked up a load of stones in the offside front wheel arch, but the stones don't appear to be falling out. 5 seconds later, the engine cuts out.

It turned out that the aux belt had snapped and started lashing about and ultimately found its way into the cam-belt cover and became trapped between the belt and one of the pulleys. The cam belt was still in place and looked good, but 24 bent valves later I am now left with a 166 for scrap.

Both the cam belt (and other bits) and aux belt were replaced about 3 years ago (26K miles) but after a dead alternator last year I am thinking that the non-specialist garage who replaced it overtightened it or something. What is strange is that there had been no warning of the aux belts demise.

So my advise is to have a look at it every 6 months and only ever have work done by a garage familiar with the marque.

It was a 166 3.0 Sportronic Lusso (with all the toys apart from the sun roof).

I am now left with a dilemma - what to buy to replace it. I was thinking of getting into some debt and buying a 3.2 GTV (I previosly replaced a 3.0 GTV for the 166 and miss it terribly) but I would need an additional car for the family. The price of another 166 seems hard to beat (and the broken one would be a supply of parts) but maybe I should look for a smaller, cheaper and more practical car (the wife had scratched the 166 in a few places already) and then invest in the GTV later in the year (when the credit crunch is less crunchy). I was thinking of a 156 2.0 Selespeed Sportwagon or maybe a Q4 2.5 model.

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How old is your 166,isn't it worth repairing?
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It is 2002 (02) with 93K miles on the clock. The bodywork is poor so I don't think it is worth repairing as once it is repaired it will still only be worth as much as I pay to have it repaired.
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It is 2002 (02) with 93K miles on the clock. The bodywork is poor so I don't think it is worth repairing as once it is repaired it will still only be worth as much as I pay to have it repaired.
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Is it cf2 or cf3 ?
Has it phone and sat nav leather etc...If so let me know what you want for her.

COZ North yorkshire is a lot close than London to me.

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Pomeo,

I'm pretty sure it's a CF3 (its still at the garage and I would need to check and compare to https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...2-or-cf3.html).

It has a phone and sat nav, but the phone is temperamental (the caller hears noise if they call the car but outbound calls are fine) and the sat-nav stopped working just after I bought it (the disc is not sucked in and appears to have lost power although the led's flash). The audio processor and speakers sound great. Grey leather, Xenon's, rear blind, 5-hole alloys.

Not sure what it is worth yet - I need to do some research. Also, I may end up taking bits of it myself if I choose to replace it with another. I'll keep you posted.
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That sound like a reallyt nice car and well worth repairing. Which ever one of you does it.
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If it's 2002 it is CF3
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Some of them hung around dealers for a while before being registered. so its most probably a CF3 but not guaranteed
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Pomeo,

I'm pretty sure it's a CF3 (its still at the garage and I would need to check and compare to https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...2-or-cf3.html).

It has a phone and sat nav, but the phone is temperamental (the caller hears noise if they call the car but outbound calls are fine) and the sat-nav stopped working just after I bought it (the disc is not sucked in and appears to have lost power although the led's flash). The audio processor and speakers sound great. Grey leather, Xenon's, rear blind, 5-hole alloys.

Not sure what it is worth yet - I need to do some research. Also, I may end up taking bits of it myself if I choose to replace it with another. I'll keep you posted.
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Re: Aux belt cnap caused cam belt to slip - dead 166 - now what to buy?

I've just spent a few hours trawling Autotrader and other sites with friend on the phone and concluded that I should find a 156 Sportwagon, either 2.0 (not the Selespeed) or 1.9/2.4 diesel. The large(ish) boot will come in handy for when I buy a 3.2 GTV later in the year/next year assuming employment status survives the recession.

So I won't be taking any bits of the 166. I'll find out the engine type later today.
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Pomeo,

The engine is a CF3.

Here's some pictures - as you can see, there are a few scratches but nothing too serious. Are you thinking spares or rebuild?

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I'm jeolus! Thats lovely. I wish I had the time, skill and money.
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oooo - a perfect sister for pomeo and lacey
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Doesn't look to bad to repair, what sort of money are you looking at for it??
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Pomeo,

The engine is a CF3.

Here's some pictures - as you can see, there are a few scratches but nothing too serious. Are you thinking spares or rebuild?

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A rebuild I dont belive in breaking them.



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A rebuild I dont belive in breaking them.



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Mate I would love to rebiuld that car with you. would have to be a weekend project for me though.

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Doesn't look to bad to repair, what sort of money are you looking at for it??
I'd like to think that it is still worth ~£500 but I'll take whatever I can get for it.
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Gutted for you pal, I was very lucky to hear my aux belt making some naughty noises just last week.

I see the vultures are a swarming . With those alloys and the rarity that is a fully operational sportronic ecu, those two alone are worth £500 if sold seperate......not wishing to encouraging the dismantling of these beautiful cars.
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Gutted for you pal, I was very lucky to hear my aux belt making some naughty noises just last week.

I see the vultures are a swarming . With those alloys and the rarity that is a fully operational sportronic ecu, those two alone are worth £500 if sold seperate......not wishing to encouraging the dismantling of these beautiful cars.
Aye right ..that silver one only probably needed a timing belt...And its all over the place now.

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I hope I won't burst your bubble, but the 156 Sportwagon is the only car where the "estate" version has smaller boot than the saloon version.
I'd get a new/reconditioned engine, and keep the 166, there is a company in the UK doing that.
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GLS on reflection I would love to give you the £500 for it BUT as it stands as SL says its worth more in bits BUT unfortunately not for me coz I ,like SL's zender supplize,wanted to get it back on the road.

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Gutted for you pal, I was very lucky to hear my aux belt making some naughty noises just last week.

I see the vultures are a swarming . With those alloys and the rarity that is a fully operational sportronic ecu, those two alone are worth £500 if sold seperate......not wishing to encouraging the dismantling of these beautiful cars.
who are you to call us vultures!

rubbish's. I bought my 5 horseshoes alloys for £120! scuffed rims and all!

Just out of interest where is your £350 zender kit just now?

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who are you to call us vultures!

rubbishs. I bought my 5 horse shose alloys for £120! scuffed rims and all!

Just out of interest where is your £350 zender kit just now?

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Seconded and thirded....I'm glad Sl didnae get back to me with a price for the silver one after he bought the whole car just for the wheels,coz after seein his aritmetical calculations I couldnae have afforded it even with another mortgage.

He wanted more even although he had got the wheels.

Stuart lee for president of HBOS AND RBS.

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PS Lacey is now £300 k coz if you are in line for a pension of 623K a year its still a bargain.

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then invest in the GTV later in the year (when the credit crunch is less crunchy)
The credit crunch won't be over anytime this year! Anyway, when it's 'less crunchy', the car prices will go up again. With interest rates at 0, better to pick one up in the next few months...
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I'm just about to go on holiday otherwise I might have been joining the vultures.......i've got a 3 litre with the ever-popular dodgy Sportronic, and sure I could find some use for other bits.....

But I climb on board the big silver bird tomorrow...so the car's safe for a bit....

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