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Help Alfa 159 Wishbone Help

Hi all

Just need some advice

my alfa159 1.9 jtdm has a knocking noise from near side front suspension (going over bumps in road). Have jacked the car up but nothing found.
Im thinking that its is probably the upper or lower wishbones.

has anyone one got any idea of how easy they are to replace or where i can find a guide.
Also where is the best (cheapest place) to get the spares?

If anyone can i would be eternally greatful.
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I've bought from here before Alfa Romeo Ersatzteile - Italia Ricambi - Fahrwerk Ersatzteile / Verschleiteile Vorderachse fr Alfa Romeo Brera (939)

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Uppers are favourite - easy job
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When you say easy job, easy DIY job?!
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If youre used to splitting ball joints, working on suspension and have a set of E-Torx, yes.
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I'd replace roll bar drop links first. Fraction of the price of wishbones and much easier to replace. Good to make sure they're A1 first and then move onto other bits.

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with the car on the ground,rock the wheel with your hands every direction...should give you an idea.
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Top wishbones are known to be the most common cause of front suspension knocking. Mine needed doing about 5K ago. Easy to diagnose. Jack up. Axle stand. Nice and safe. Wheel off. Support the hub with the jack. Remove the nut holding the top wishbone to the rest of the system. The wishbone will knock out with a copper and hide hammer. If the ball joint is loose and there is no resistance to movement at all, it needs replacing. Changing is easy, but you need the right gear. I found that by removing the bolts from the top mounting of the strut gave me enough room to be able to remove the two big torx bolts and slide them out between the coils of the springs. Old one out. Bit of copper grease. Whack the new one in. Jobs a gud'un!
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Try shop4parts for discounted original parts...

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I hope this helps someone as I replaced my upper wishbone on on my 57 159 at the weekend. Took me about 1 hour 15 mins start to finish excluding sheltering from the rain... It's an easy job and was done with just basic tools.

I'm not implying this is the correct way to do it but it worked for me without any hassle.

Firstly the tools used (Pictures tools1 and tools2)
18mm Torx socket
17mm standard socket
6mm standard socket
Hammer
1/2" socket wrench with short extension bar
1/2" socket knuckle
1/4" socket wrench
Screwdriver

This is how I did it...
Jack car up and remove wheel.

Place axel stand

Undo and take off 17mm nut on upper wishbone ball joint. (wishbone ball joint pic)

Hit threaded pin of ball joint with hammer to knock it out (only took two hits)

Take weight off the leg using jack (weight off leg pic)

From under the bonnet undo centre nut holding shock absorber (undoing shock pic)

Now lower jack and centre of shock will slowly come through hole. the centre of the shock can easily be pushed or pulled up and down using your hands. The reason for undoing the shock is to allow easier access to the 18mm torx nut's as the shock can be moved slightly as required.

Using a wrench and short extension I was able to loosen both torx bolts (Undoing torx bolt 1 pic)

Due to limitations of only being able to upload 6 images at a time I'll continue on another post...
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Alfa 159 wishbone replacement

Undoing second torx bolt (undoing torx bolt 2 pic)

Once the Torx bolts had been loosened I used the wrench with a knuckle to make it easier (using knuckle pic)

To gain access to the torx bolts I used the jack to lift or lower the leg (compressing the spring a bit) as required.

Putting the new one on is reversal of taking the old one off.

Once the new wishbone is fitted, use the jack to raise the leg a bit then using your fingers you can pull the centre of the shock absorber and push it back into it's hole. I used a long screwdriver to help lever it in.

Lastly, to re tighten the nut holding the top of the shock use the 17mm socket held by a pair of mole grips to hold the outer nut and the 6mm socket to tighten the top of the shock into the nut. (tightening shock pic)

Make sure the dust boot over the shock is back in it's correct place.

Job done.
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Good post.

I've got mine to do soon. Where did u get the wishbone from?
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Good post.

I've got mine to do soon. Where did u get the wishbone from?
What Steve said... Great post :-) i wish i'd have had the balls to attempt this a few months back when i had mine replaced by an indy which cost me a couple of hundred quid!
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Good post.

I've got mine to do soon. Where did u get the wishbone from?
Thanks. Got the wishbone from Alfa Workshop. About 100 inc delivery and I had to buy a set of torx sockets for 18 from machine mart as didn't have any but they'll come in handy for changing brake pads...

I was quoted 386 inc parts by my local Alfa garage to change the wishbone!!!
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Thanks for the link.

I looked before there but couldn't find any listed for the Brera. Are they the same anyway?
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Kevb159, thanks for taking the time to post the pictures and explaination.

Today, I've just confirmed play in my n/s upper bush, and so I'll be doing this job soon.

Regarding getting the new item, Shop4parts list an upper n/s wishbone for 69 incl vat from a manufacturer called "Birth." Has anybody got any feedback on the quality of this part from "Birth?"

The genuine Alfa one costs 120 incl vat therefore a 51 saving.

I'm not all that bothered about the price difference, but I am from Yorkshire and therefore a bit careful
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Thanks. Got the wishbone from Alfa Workshop. About 100 inc delivery and I had to buy a set of torx sockets for 18 from machine mart as didn't have any but they'll come in handy for changing brake pads...

I was quoted 386 inc parts by my local Alfa garage to change the wishbone!!!
Yep, mine are from Jamie at The Alfa Workshop, independent specialist Alfa Romeo garage and web resource too. 195 for two including FedEx next day delivery. Good quality TRW parts.
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Thankyou all very much for the advice. In the end i took my 159 to the alfa workshop in Royston, and they diagnosed it was the upper wishbone. Changed it for me. Brilliant service i recommend Jamie and his team. will defo be using them again.
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I have changed my upper nearside wishbone today as I previously said I had to.

Further to Kevb 159s helpful info, I've made a few notes of how I resolved problems.

I think that my problems were caused as mine is a TI and the springs appeared to be more tightly wound than in the pictures posted by Kevb 159 (is yours a TI Kevb?), so much so that although I managed to get the forward most locating bolt out through the coils in the spring, on the rear ward locating bolt, it was lining up directly with the spring, and when I compressed the spring to line up a "gap" the coils closed making it impossible.

The way I got around this was to cut a block of wood about 4" x 2" by the width of the gap in the spring when fully extended, placed it in the spring facing out of the wheel arch at the appropriate level. Then using the trolley jack, jack the strut up compressing the spring, and the block of wood kept the spring open for the bolt to be slid out and past the spring.

Also for the same reasons, I couldn't get a 1/2" drive onto the torx nuts with the extension onwithout potentially damaging the coil springs, and so bought some female ring torx spanners (as opposed to sockets) which worked well for me. I did use a short extension bar on the spanners as well.

Although I did disconect the strut at the the top to do this job, I think that using this method with the ring spanner torx and "block of wood" may mean that isn't necessary but am not sure.

Hope this helps.
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Hi, thanks for the tip but. I found the bushes and called up to enquire and he said that they are only for the 156 and not the 159.

I have been quoted 250 to replace from Alfa Specilist in Leeds. Part avail from Alfa Workshop for just over 100 inc postage.

What have others been quoted to do it?
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Have just found part on eBay for 70.58 delivered but not sure if it worth the risk to save 30 but this might help somebody.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FCA6643-WI...item2313a7c119
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I've just got an original Alfa one from Mangoletsi (120) as i've read that the pattern ones don't last as long.

Was gutted though as after replacing it I've still got a knocking noise
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I bought mine from Shop4parts who are located in Bradford. I ordered it at 11am, and it was delivered to my house by 2pm the same day.
Cost including delivery was 79.95. (69.71 incl VAT).

I got the non original type manufactured by Birth. I will have to see if it proves to be false economy not buying the genuine type. My original wishbone has lasted 4 years and 50,000 miles. When questioned Shop4parts say that they have not had any problems with the "Birth" type. Based on the fact that it's a fairly straightforward job, there's not a lot to lose if it doesn't last as long as the original.

Maybe the ebay type is made by "Birth?"

Shop4parts offers a 12 month warranty.

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