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2.4 JTDM, Ti, Q-Tronic. Does it exist?

Hi I'm new here and looking to find the right spec of 159 to purchase.

I know I want a 2.4 jtdm but the question comes down to trim / gearbox combo.

I see Tis for sale and Q Tronics but never together. The Q Tronic always seems to be in the Lusso spec. Coming from an automatic Audi A4 and now driving a manual Audi A3, I definitely miss the auto. Does the combo exist since the Ti is obviously much more desirable spec wise.

Otherwise, is there anything that can't be retrofitted from a Ti onto a Lusso? The alternative could be to buy a scrap Ti in the future and transplant everything onto the Lusso as obviously, I can't change the gearbox from manual to auto.

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You’ll be waiting a while for one to show up. Sounds like the auto box is of more importance to you, if you really like the Ti look you could always buy a set of alloys down the line, even the skirts and and mirror caps if you’re really keen.


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You’ll be waiting a while for one to show up. Sounds like the auto box is of more importance to you, if you really like the Ti look you could always buy a set of alloys down the line, even the skirts and and mirror caps if you’re really keen.


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Yeah, I think the auto is a priority so it'll probably have to be a TI retrofit. At least it's not like an s-line Audi where I have to replace all the bumpers and stuff. 90% of the TI's visual appeal is the wheels and mirrors IMO.

Slightly off topic, is there anything in the interior that will be hard to retrofit? Memory seats, split folding seats, dials, etc? I'm not really bothered about the black headlining.
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Yeah, I think the auto is a priority so it'll probably have to be a TI retrofit. At least it's not like an s-line Audi where I have to replace all the bumpers and stuff. 90% of the TI's visual appeal is the wheels and mirrors IMO.



Slightly off topic, is there anything in the interior that will be hard to retrofit? Memory seats, split folding seats, dials, etc? I'm not really bothered about the black headlining.


Nah, it’s really just the mirrors, skirts and alloys exterior-wise.

With the interior think you’ll be able to swap seats just fine, another difference is the instrument gauges but again I think you can even swap that out if you really wanted to.


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What's different about the instruments in the TI?....did not notice they were different to my Lusso ones in the one I drive.....Mr Observant me!!
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What's different about the instruments in the TI?....did not notice they were different to my Lusso ones in the one I drive.....Mr Observant me!!
I think the dials are just red? Could be wrong though..

This is what mine look like on my Ti.

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Red ring!....Never noticed before. Every day is a school day!!
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What's different about the instruments in the TI?....did not notice they were different to my Lusso ones in the one I drive.....Mr Observant me!!

Well I know on the Brera S (and the Brera Ti which was sold abroad) the instrument binnacles are different to standard, with a sportier look - well, they have some red detailing anyway! I assume the 159 Ti is the same?


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I've think I've seen one for sale recently, I'll try and find the link, it's expensive though


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Scrap that, it was a 3.2 ti q tronic
https://www.truealfa.co.uk/used-cars...01806117400319


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According to the very inaccurate source that is "How Many Left".com there are only 13 of those left in use. You will have to be very lucky to find someone who ready to sell....but it happens.
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Ermmm Sportwagon?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Rome...4AAOSw85Jbu69p

Can't help with a saloon.. Yet.

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I think a friend of mine has one...

2.4 diesel, Ti, auto box with paddle shift... done 100k miles 58 reg. Not sure if its for sale but I can ask him for you?
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Red ring!....Never noticed before. Every day is a school day!!
I never knew that either. I guess it's one more thing for me to swap if I get a lusso.

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According to the very inaccurate source that is "How Many Left".com there are only 13 of those left in use. You will have to be very lucky to find someone who ready to sell....but it happens.
It does seem a rare spec. Lusso QT on the other hand seem to come up often enough. I'm afraid that people are going to ask ridiculous money for them.

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Ermmm Sportwagon?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Rome...4AAOSw85Jbu69p

Can't help with a saloon.. Yet.

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I do like the sportwagon but there's just something about the saloon that I like. I think if I was going for an estate, I'd be looking at the (don't shoot me) Audi A4 B7 3.0 TDI Avant. But I fancy a break from Audis. I was driving the other day in my A3 and had an Audi in front of me, behind me and to the side of me. I was thinking, "where are all the Fords?" So I want some exclusivity, or something to justify the 'premium' badge. My A4 was fine since they were less common than the A3 (in comparison), was built extremely well and wasn't based on a Skoda Octavia.

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I think a friend of mine has one...

2.4 diesel, Ti, auto box with paddle shift... done 100k miles 58 reg. Not sure if its for sale but I can ask him for you?
Yeah I'd appreciate it. But I must stress that I'm on a budget. I won't have too much free cash to put towards it over selling my 2006 Audi A3 with 150k on the clock. So I'm probably looking in the £1500 - £2500 range depending on condition and spec.

I seen a very tidy Lusso QT 2.4 on an eBay auction that no one bid on at £1700. With 100k on the clock, it seemed a lot of car. I'm thinking the most cost effective way to get the car I want is going to be to buy a lusso with the correct engine and box and then find a scrap TI on the internet. If I can get a good fully working 159 for under 2k then I should be able to get a scrap 1.9 TI for less than 1k. At least in time, if I have 3k invested in the car I want, specced up how I want then I think that's a pretty good deal. I'm not bothered if it say TI or Lusso on the log book.

At least, as I said earlier, all the bumpers and stuff are the same, so it doesn't really matter what colour the scrap car will be as I'd only have to paint the side skirts and everything else should hopefully bolt on.

I've had a look, but can't find much recent posts, but what's the reliability of the Q-Tronic like? I take it as a good sign that there's not much posted about it since they must all be working. No DMF and clutch issues will be welcome too because, obviously, I'd be remapping the 2.4
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Rome...4AAOSw85Jbu69p

Can't help with a saloon.. Yet.

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I went to look there at a supposed 'very good, clean' 156 sw some years ago and almost went away within 10 seconds of getting there. No idea how honest they are to deal with, but we clearly had different ideas of what a good, clean car was. They seemed decent enough though ... but don't go with too high expecations if my (one-off) experience is anything to go by. When looking for a good example of rare car, you have to look at anything that comes up nationally, be prepared to travel and be disappointed. The right car could be anywhere and you just have to go look.
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I went to look there at a supposed 'very good, clean' 156 sw some years ago and almost went away within 10 seconds of getting there. No idea how honest they are to deal with, but we clearly had different ideas of what a good, clean car was. They seemed decent enough though ... but don't go with too high expecations if my (one-off) experience is anything to go by. When looking for a good example of rare car, you have to look at anything that comes up nationally, be prepared to travel and be disappointed. The right car could be anywhere and you just have to go look.
Never dealt with them but took 18 months to find my Q4 Ti (probably rarer than a Ti with Qtronic!) and had to move quickly to get it. But you're right, finding the spec you're after can take a while and usually, just after you give up, they pop out of the woodwork!
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There is a black 159 Q4 near to me and very nice it looks too.

Since I moved here and brought my Alfas to this town, I have started seeing a lot more come in. In my street we used to be the only one. Then a Fiat 500 became a Mito, a Guiletta has appeared, the 159 Q4 Ti above also joined the 'near by' throng, I have added my Giulia and I have seen a few others regularly which seem to be stopping at the pub a stone's throw away. Spreading the Love :-)

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Never dealt with them but took 18 months to find my Q4 Ti (probably rarer than a Ti with Qtronic!) and had to move quickly to get it. But you're right, finding the spec you're after can take a while and usually, just after you give up, they pop out of the woodwork!
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Just seen a couple for spares or repair on ebay. One has a blown turbo but it's a 2.4 Auto. Do you know how hard/costly it is to replace?

The other is a 2.4 manual with a flywheel noise. Not that I want a manual but if it ends up going dirt cheap then it's worth considering. Again, what's the cost involved with that (since I'd probably be replacing the clutch at that point too.)?
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