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Whats My 159 TI worth?

Hi,
i'm about to sell my black 159 TI 2011 saloon.
Its in exceptional condition.

Mileage is 92,000 mile on the 2.0 jtdm engine and has the updated interior.
Probably one of the last 159's

i have just MOTed it, so valid until 12th June 2010, with NO advisories.
Has FULL service history with Alfa Dealers / Italian specialists.

Serviced last late August 2018. So no service due. Only doing 6,000 mile a year.
Clutch was done in late 2017 when i bought it.
Cambelt and water pump was also done when I bought it in late 2017, so not due either.
Just had four new tyres.

It completely standard 170 bhp
I have added a CD emulator box to the Bosch standard stereo this now give me music via bluetooth and still allows me to connect to the Blue&Me for Calls.

Whats is worth please? £5,000??

Many thanks in advanced.
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£5k is probably the upper end of what it's worth. Probably achievable with that nice spec.

Did you have the clutch and DMF done at the same time?

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£5k is probably the upper end of what it's worth. Probably achievable with that nice spec.

Did you have the clutch and DMF done at the same time?

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The invoice from Cloverleaf Car Services includes:

1 Clutch Kit £250
1 Concentric Slave £134

Labour at £200

Total bill including the VAT £700.80

at 84,227 miles in 11/10/2017

This was all done about a 2 weeks before I bought it.
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The invoice from Cloverleaf Car Services includes:

1 Clutch Kit £250
1 Concentric Slave £134

Labour at £200

Total bill including the VAT £700.80

at 84,227 miles in 11/10/2017

This was all done about a 2 weeks before I bought it.

Replacing the clutch, and not the DMF as well, at 84,000 miles is unfortunate. The DMF might only last another 20k, at which point, it's gearbox out again.
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He does not say if it is 11 or 61 plate. Values for both follow.



2011, 11 Plate, Alfa Romeo, 159, 2.0JTDm 16v (170bhp) TI Saloon 4d
Mileage:
92000
Valuation for 29th May 2019
Glass's Trade
Basic value£4,060.00
Mileage Adjustment-£640.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£640.00
Adjusted value total£3,420.00
This month Basic Value£4,060.00
Last month Basic Value£4,150.00
Difference-£90.00




Retail value (Transacted)
Basic value£5,690.00
Mileage Adjustment-£430.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£430.00
Adjusted value total£5,260.00


Or...


2011, 61 Plate, Alfa Romeo, 159, 2.0 JTDm 16v (170bhp) TI Saloon 4d
Mileage:
92000
Valuation for 29th May 2019
Glass's Trade
Basic value£4,530.00
Mileage Adjustment-£800.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£800.00
Adjusted value total£3,730.00
This month Basic Value£4,530.00
Last month Basic Value£4,620.00
Difference-£90.00




Retail value (Transacted)
Basic value£6,190.00
Mileage Adjustment-£580.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£580.00
Adjusted value total£5,610.00

The mileage adjustment is because of the slightly high mileage for the year....average would be 70,000 miles.


So yes it should be worth £5000 in a private sale...and yes you should have had the DMF done. I would never replace the clutch on one of these without a DMF change. They never last much longer than a clutch of a sympathetically driven car.

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He does not say if it is 11 or 61 plate. Values for both follow.



2011, 11 Plate, Alfa Romeo, 159, 2.0JTDm 16v (170bhp) TI Saloon 4d
Mileage:
92000
Valuation for 29th May 2019
Glass's Trade
Basic value£4,060.00
Mileage Adjustment-£640.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£640.00
Adjusted value total£3,420.00
This month Basic Value£4,060.00
Last month Basic Value£4,150.00
Difference-£90.00




Retail value (Transacted)
Basic value£5,690.00
Mileage Adjustment-£430.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£430.00
Adjusted value total£5,260.00


Or...


2011, 61 Plate, Alfa Romeo, 159, 2.0 JTDm 16v (170bhp) TI Saloon 4d
Mileage:
92000
Valuation for 29th May 2019
Glass's Trade
Basic value£4,530.00
Mileage Adjustment-£800.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£800.00
Adjusted value total£3,730.00
This month Basic Value£4,530.00
Last month Basic Value£4,620.00
Difference-£90.00




Retail value (Transacted)
Basic value£6,190.00
Mileage Adjustment-£580.00
Extra Options£0.00
Dealer adjustments£0.00
Adjustments subtotal-£580.00
Adjusted value total£5,610.00

The mileage adjustment is because of the slightly high mileage for the year....average would be 70,000 miles.


So yes it should be worth £5000 in a private sale...and yes you should have had the DMF done. I would never replace the clutch on one of these without a DMF change. They never last much longer than a clutch of a sympathetically driven car.
Yes i'm sure there are a number of other things that I should of checked for / done to the car. But when buying a used car its not brand new so there will be wear n tear on the whole of the car. All the work was done prior to be buying it so I did not have the choice. The car was in exceptional condition and having view many other sheds that the owners claimed to be "mint". it was the best of the what was around at the time.

The car is what it is and its done 8,000 miles since it was replaced. I would hope that Cloverleaf Car Services who have very very good reviews in Bristol, would not scrimp on something like this if it did need changing.
But as I said was ALL done before I purchased.

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Personally those mileage adjustments do my head in, a diesel car is supposed to be doing at least 15k a year really so why do the guide books always say average of 12k, personally I'd rather have a big mileage diesel with good history than a low mileage one, (says he who bought a 53k 9 year old SAAB last August) but you know what I am meaning, 20k later seems I got lucky
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The average UK miles per year is now just 7900. Lowest figures for nearly 20 years....so that affects things. Lots of folks using public transport and cycling or walking are bringing it down. In the guide diesels are not penalised as much as petrols for over average miles.
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There is an Alfa specialist near me with a 2011 2l Ti like yours for sale currently at £4995 with 99k miles, so your guesstimate seems accurate. 159 values can be all over the place but people will pay stronger money for a good car.

Sorry for diverting off topic but I've been thinking recently about buying another 159 now I've gotten my SUV phase out the way. Does anyone know what will happen to the road tax on 2l 159s now the government seem to be using these real world tests? When do these come into force and how will it affect euro 5 cars like the 2l 159 and the giulietta?
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I think that is only going to apply to new cars....not old ones....the tax code wont be changing for us old car owners as far as I can tell. Imagine the work involved....and you can only really test a new car for base mark emission standards . Tax on mine (Euro 5 of course) is only £130 and it didn't change when the new tax classes penalising new diesels came into effect.....hopefully it will stay near there!! I think the government are more keen to stop people buying new diesels (for now at least until these new ultra low emission diesel come on line....then petrol's will be back in the firing line again!!) rather than punishing us owners of older cars.....lots of whom bought diesels in the first place encouraged by the government because of the lower tax and lower emissions (at the time before folks worried about particulates). Driving into big cities will become an issue though...London now have the ULEZ and others will copy. They don't really give a toss about the environment or anyone's heath....it just a great way of generating income for the councils and maybe make where they live have less traffic so councillors can drive to work more easily!!! LOL. If you have to drive there and you have a Euro 5 or older diesel....then you have to drive there....so you just pay the money....how does that help the air quality?....not one bit is how much!!!
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Ah, cheers. I thought they were going to start hiking the tax up on the older diesels in a bid to drive them off the road. No doubt they'll turn on electric car users once the majority change to those!!!
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….yes no doubt they will....there seems to be no penalty for cars that use a lot of electricity compared to ones that don't use much. It will be bad enough with millions of full electric cars putting a strain on our already stretched mains electricity infrastructure when charging...….and what folks seem to forget is than we rarely ever produce more than 50% or our mains power through renewables (literally a handful of sunny, windy days last year)….the rest of our power comes from old coal and oil fired power stations.....just about the highest polluters there are!!….and those old stations will be under more pressure the more full electric cars there are. Not so much reducing pollution....just relocating it all to around the places its generated!! So next thing is that they will tax the powerful electric cars like Tesla etc as they use more power!! Still got to pay for the roads somehow....and its wont be coming from petrol tax or road tax if the tax system stays as it is now.....so lets gets taxing those electric cars. Maybe they could also tax them on a sliding scale of how boring a soulless most of them are.....lots of money to be made there!!! Drove A Jaguar I-Pace the other day though....that was almost fun!!….but its just transport without internal combustion....not a car!
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….yes no doubt they will....there seems to be no penalty for cars that use a lot of electricity compared to ones that don't use much. It will be bad enough with millions of full electric cars putting a strain on our already stretched mains electricity infrastructure when charging...….and what folks seem to forget is than we rarely ever produce more than 50% or our mains power through renewables (literally a handful of sunny, windy days last year)….the rest of our power comes from old coal and oil fired power stations.....just about the highest polluters there are!!….and those old stations will be under more pressure the more full electric cars there are. Not so much reducing pollution....just relocating it all to around the places its generated!! So next thing is that they will tax the powerful electric cars like Tesla etc as they use more power!! Still got to pay for the roads somehow....and its wont be coming from petrol tax or road tax if the tax system stays as it is now.....so lets gets taxing those electric cars. Maybe they could also tax them on a sliding scale of how boring a soulless most of them are.....lots of money to be made there!!! Drove A Jaguar I-Pace the other day though....that was almost fun!!….but its just transport without internal combustion....not a car!
Agree with a lot of the comment above. Renewables are all well and good but the electricity generated when the sun shines and the wind blows etc cant be stored in a practical and cost effective manner so can only be used at the time its generated. If you accept that most people will charge their EV's over night this rules out solar power. The other issue that no one seems to acknowledge is the environmental impact of mining an huge increase in the very unpleasant elements required to make all these extra batteries that will go in these new EVs and what we do with this material when the battery is knocked.

Hydrogen fuel cell is the way to go as you would use the electricity generated by renewables to produce the hydrogen which can be stored as easily as petrol. You have no range anxiety, it would only take the same time to re fuel as it does currently with Petrol/Diesel, hydrogen is inexhaustible and the by product of a hydrogen fuel cell car is water that is pure enough to drink. As a result I'm convinced that EV's will be demonised as diesel is now and I'm perplexed as to why Hydrogen fuel cells are not being pushed rather than EV's with all the associated problems
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....flux capacitors all the way!!.....
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