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Spider roof deck sticking

Anyone have their Spider roof deck sticking when I open at about 2 inches. Sometimes she lifts fine but most of the time sticks and I have to back it off an inch and try again then it works. Tried lubing all the hydraulic rams and lever pivots with teflon spray and it maybe helped a little
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Does nobody else get this problem?
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Pretty sure just about every single Spider owner has had it.
For those that haven't, well, it's just a matter of time.
Countless threads and mentions on here.
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Pretty sure just about every single Spider owner has had it.
For those that haven't, well, it's just a matter of time.
Countless threads and mentions on here.
Exactly the same as by my description. Do you happen to have a fix for it?
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Exactly the same as by my description. Do you happen to have a fix for it?
Suspect roof flap motors a common fault but not serious I'd get both replaced.
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Suspect roof flap motors a common fault but not serious I'd get both replaced.
No, my roof flaps have been serviced and the stick point is rear deck only 2 inches up so nothing to do with flap motors. Just back off about an inch and go again and she works. She does work flawlessly from time to time since I lubed the hydraulic ram and the hinges with Teflon spray

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No, my roof flaps have been serviced
Serviced? What do you mean by that?

Just seen another post of yours, I understand what you mean now.

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Serviced? What do you mean by that?

Just seen another post of yours, I understand what you mean now.
Clean potentiometers and replace one nylon gear and grease

Gear is most likely suspect as potentiometers cannot become dirty from what I have seen
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For what it's worth - mine went through a phase of failing with the roof lid about an inch open, and it did appear to be the flap motors. I know you say it can't be that, but with mine I believe it was.
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I have noticed that if I lube the hydraulic rod with teflon spray then the deck lifts no problem for a few times. Seems like the seal is causing too much friction (sticktion) and then maybe the pump dumps it's pressure. I wonder if the pressure is adjustable??
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Suspect roof flap motors a common fault but not serious I'd get both replaced.
I am selling a complete motor still in packaging Any offers? I bought it by mistake and the dealer will not refund as they had to fly the part in
I an in SA but can get it in UK - I know some cabin crew
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I think I have the solution, obviously the ram does not get enough hydraulic pressure - I have found what looks like adjustments on the pump but not sure which to adjust and if I would turn in or out - The adjustments are numbered so hoping someone knows which one adjusts the rear deck ram. The supposed adjusters I mentioned are more than likely not adjusters or have anything to do with pressure, they are just hydraulic pomp couplings, it looks like the pipes fit in keyholes and by rotating the Allen key it forces the pipe to seal
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So, does anyone have a solution that fixes this? I need a slightly higher pump pressure - Like I said, it works a few times after I spray Teflon on the hydraulic ram or if i give the roof deck a slight lift. Maybe the hydraulic roof deck piston is bleeding off and not receiving enough pressure to work. Can pressure on these hydraulics me changed manually, is the big plunger in the roof deck compartment

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Have you checked the hydraulic release cable (behind the drivers seat) is fully pushed home? I've seen posts in the past where people have said theirs wasn't, and when they pushed it all the way in, the roof operation was much faster.
Since you've been looking at the pump, you can actually just push the lever the cable connects to, and make sure it's properly pushed back.
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Have you checked the hydraulic release cable (behind the drivers seat) is fully pushed home? I've seen posts in the past where people have said theirs wasn't, and when they pushed it all the way in, the roof operation was much faster.
Since you've been looking at the pump, you can actually just push the lever the cable connects to, and make sure it's properly pushed back.
I did pull it once and push it back in and your advice seems like good advise so I will try it quick

OK, pulled the pump cover and I don't see the release lever, I checked again and I would say the cable is pushed all the way in. Where do I find the cable at the pump side?
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It is quite hidden - it's kind of under the pump. But if you look at the front of the pump (i.e. towards the front of the car) when the cover is off, you'll see the cable disappear under the pump so you simply have to follow that.

If necessary, unbolt the pump and lift it up so you can see the lever and make sure it's pushed fully back.
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It is quite hidden - it's kind of under the pump. But if you look at the front of the pump (i.e. towards the front of the car) when the cover is off, you'll see the cable disappear under the pump so you simply have to follow that.

If necessary, unbolt the pump and lift it up so you can see the lever and make sure it's pushed fully back.
Thanks, I will take another look
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Thanks, I will take another look
Tried it and no luck. I put Teflon on again so she will work for a day. That cable is useless, there is nothing to retain the outer or am I stupid? There was a cable tie around the motor that I unfortunately cut off, that is possibly what was holding the outer

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Tried it and no luck. I put Teflon on again so she will work for a day. That cable is useless, there is nothing to retain the outer or am I stupid? There was a cable tie around the motor that I unfortunately cut off, that is possibly what was holding the outer
Any more suggestions - The pump pressure is not adjustable.
I have printed out instructions on the emergency/manual raising of the roof in case it gets stuck. Laminated and in the cubby behind the seat with the tool
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Any more suggestions - The pump pressure is not adjustable.
I have printed out instructions on the emergency/manual raising of the roof in case it gets stuck. Laminated and in the cubby behind the seat with the tool
Here are the manual instructions

Ok so this is a bit of a tricky one to do in an emergency but it is possible for even the least hands on of you. The operation needs to be performed with the ignition OFF. Firstly, this is only the procedure to put the hood up. The first job is to release the hydraulic pressure in the system. To do this you need to get into the cubby hole behind the right-hand seat, in the back of the cubby hole you will find a cable and this needs to be pulled hard to release the pressure in the system. DO NOT TRY TO LIFT THE DECK AT THIS POINT AS IT WILL DAMAGE THE PAINT ON THE BOOT LID.
Next behind the left-hand seat you will find the emergency boot release cable which you need to pull to release the boot lid.
Next you need to lift the boot lid carefully, making sure the deck in front is still in the down position, keep an eye on the gap between the boot lid and the deck to make sure the front of the boot lid does not hit the deck. Inside the boot you will find the tool to operate the remote lock for the deck. At the front of the boot in the centre just below the lip behind a flap in the carpet you will find a bolt, using the special tool this needs to be turned clockwise to release the rear deck. DO NOT lift the rear deck at this point, carefully close the boot lid completely, again making sure the boot lid and deck don’t hit each other
Next lift up the rear deck, again you need to watch the gap between the deck and the hood to make sure there is no contact, once clear pull the deck up to its stop.
Now you can pull the hood out of the well and right through its motion until the rear of the hood is vertical.
Next you need to reset the valve in the pump, to do this remove the cover in the right hand side of the well and under that you will find the pump for the hood. On the right hand side of the pump you will see the release cable you pulled earlier going under the pump using a screw driver the lever this attaches to on the pump needs to be pulled firmly towards the rear of the car, now refit the covers over the pump.
Now you need to fold the flaps at the front of the deck down by disengaging their motors. Now you need to fold the flaps at the front of the deck down by disengaging their motors. Now lower the deck, again WATCH THE PAINT and push it right down until it is flat.
Release the boot lid again and with light pressure on the deck turn the bolt in the front of the boot anti clockwise to secure the deck.
Next bring down the hood until it touches the deck, now's the difficult bit, you need to put your hand inside the hood between the two layers and inside you will find a bar with a hinge about half way along it, this arm needs to be pushed firmly upwards until it goes over centre, as you push it upwards the hood will be pushed down hard onto the deck.
Now you need to secure the head rail, remove the plastic cover over the securing bolt and use the other end of the tool to lock the front of the hood down, make sure that the head rail is secured to the top of the windscreen before driving the car. Now it has been suggested that these last two operations work best if done in the opposite order as it is easier to push the bar over centre.

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It is quite hidden - it's kind of under the pump. But if you look at the front of the pump (i.e. towards the front of the car) when the cover is off, you'll see the cable disappear under the pump so you simply have to follow that.

If necessary, unbolt the pump and lift it up so you can see the lever and make sure it's pushed fully back.
The outer cable has a fitting that looks like it should slip into a bracket but I don't see where, There was a cable tie around the pump motor that crudely holds it in place which I unfortunately cut off. Am I doing it wrong?
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It's actually a very simple procedure once you've done it a couple of times.
This video explains it better:
And Alfa Workshop have a good guide as well: https://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_..._release.shtml
I use the manual operation all the time.
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It's actually a very simple procedure once you've done it a couple of times.
This video explains it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXpccr3dRDY
And Alfa Workshop have a good guide as well: https://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_..._release.shtml
I use the manual operation all the time.
Will watch the video now, I was thinking of trying it out myself to try out the instructions but this should save me the effort
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It's actually a very simple procedure once you've done it a couple of times.
This video explains it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXpccr3dRDY
And Alfa Workshop have a good guide as well: https://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_..._release.shtml
I use the manual operation all the time.
Watch the video at 20 seconds in and you will see the roof deck sticking slightly about 2 inches up and then it flips up fast. Mine gets stuck at that point and if I back it off about an inch using the close button it then opens on my second press of the open button. If I spray the hydraulic rod that pushes up the deck with Teflon spray it works a few times till the Teflon is wiped off by the seal. I can only think it is not quite enough pressure from the ram. If I help the deck up before it sticks then it flips open fast and easily. I have lubed every one of the hydraulic rams and hinge points with Teflon spray but it is definitely the one that pushes the deck up that is sticking.

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