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I was told by a garage to never jump start my 156 as it can do damage. Dose anyone know if this is true?
If so is this the same for a 159?
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Your garage is right, although “never” is a wide understanding.

Reason why it can go wrong, is that the moment the car, the one which is jumpstarted, fires up: there usually develops a peak current. This peak can destroy various sensitive control units.

Personally I have experience with my previous car. That was a 156 1.8. During a very cold winter period and tired battery as a reult after weeks and I didn’t even jump start it. But on one very cold morning and just only on its very deepest breath while starting, it fired up eventually. Glad it did, but immediately after that the ABS CU was blown (fault code could not be deleted).

If you need to jumpstart, best to put the leads widely spread from each other; i.e use the positive terminal of the battery and clamp de negative directly to the motor. And even than, I would first have it charged for a couple of minutes to restore some of the battery.

So for modern day cars: be careful!

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Put the headlights on while jumping. Absorbs current spikes.
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Hi Thanks, the battery is tired and struggles when its cold, but normally starts. This time it was left for 3 days & it was very cold, & didn't want to play the game.
I think i'll get a new battery.
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I was told by a garage to never jump start my 156 as it can do damage. Dose anyone know if this is true?
If so is this the same for a 159?
Thanks Chris.
Be very careful with jump leads.
I have seen before a Brera airbag ECU be fried like this
and they are not repairable/resettable once this happens
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Put it on 'quick charge' for a couple of hours which should give you enough to get it fired up, and then drive straight to the battery shop for a replacement.
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Hi All,
just to let you know managed to get a new battery today, Europarts. Went online & they have a sale online only promo code sale55.
& yes that's 55% off. 1st they sold me a 007 all singing all dancing, to big the I got an Exide Excel 096 not as powerful as the larger battery, retail £188.05 reduced to £142.99 then I got the 55% off & paid £71.50 inc VAT.
Slaes on for the next 5 days order online & get it delivered or click & collect like I did. & pay when you collect it.
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''Europarts'' or EuroCarParts?
I've part lots of stuff from the latter over the years and had great service, but I'm no fan of companies that start off with a completely ludicrous price for something then more than halve it just like that to make it look as though you're getting an incredible bargain.

I have a great shop in Preston that only sell batteries.
They tested my old one and confirmed it was dead, removed and disposed of it, and then installed a new Lucas Premium battery for me with the car parked on the forecourt in front of the shop. I paid £89 all in.
£71.50 is indeed a very good price, but not an earth-shattering one!

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159s take a 110 fitment battery not a 096. 096 doesn't fill the tray very well whereas a 110 does.
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Yes, my Spider's replacement was a 110 as well.
Maybe explains the £71.50 price of the 096.
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Yes, my Spider's replacement was a 110 as well.
Maybe explains the £71.50 price of the 096.
yep could do. I dont know why but all the online battery finder tools on websites and from suppliers say our cars take a 096 which is incorrect. Not sure why that is, but it explains why so many have the wrong fitment and why if you go to euros or halfords or whatever, they will sell you the wrong size. Wouldnt' surprise me if it was wrong in the handbook too to be fair! but a 110 definitely fits perfectly and I dont like the idea of the smaller 096 potentially being free to move about a bit
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Ok, I am doing a bit of research about replacement batteries. Mine has an 096 in it currently, a few people on here are saying to fit a 110 as it fits the battery tray better? But the 110 is 15mm lower than than 190mm height of the standard one it seems?
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Thinking this could be the winner... correct height (unlike the 110 ) and 100Ah with 900cca

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exide-EA1...XQPa:rk:7:pf:0
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I think you’ll find the Exide EA1000 is too long (353mm) to fit in your battery tray. I purchased a Bosch S5 010 from Tayna Batteries a couple of weeks ago (315mm long), it exactly fitted the tray. The lower height isn’t a problem, I just placed a thick piece of closed cell foam under the strap before tightening and battery is totally secure. Cost of battery was £106 for next day delivery if ordered before 4pm.
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353mm is too long, I can vouch for the Exide EA900, also from Tayna, fitted my tray perfectly.

Slightly cheaper than the S5, but 4 year warranty, not 5 year
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Thinking this could be the winner... correct height (unlike the 110 ) and 100Ah with 900cca

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exide-EA1...lineimg" />f:0
I had a Yuasa 019 on mine fitted perfectly. Was originally for a VW sharan diesel but when that went I Put in the 159. Fitted battery tray perfectly
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I had a Yuasa 019 on mine fitted perfectly. Was originally for a VW sharan diesel but when that went I Put in the 159. Fitted battery tray perfectly
See, that is the same length as the Exide one I posted at 353mm.

We will see if it fits when it gets delivered, if it is too long I will swop it for the S5, but I like the idea of the height being correct and the 900CCA !
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Ok, so I can confirm that indeed that battery is too long for the tray... its not all bad news though, I bought it from ECP's ebay shop and there was a 20% off code that I entered so the £120 battery cost me £96... the invoice that came with it said £120 and it popped it back to the ECP branch 2 mins from where I work where they refunded me £120 for the battery so £25 profit on the deal!

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''Europarts'' or EuroCarParts?
I've part lots of stuff from the latter over the years and had great service, but I'm no fan of companies that start off with a completely ludicrous price for something then more than halve it just like that to make it look as though you're getting an incredible bargain.

I have a great shop in Preston that only sell batteries.
They tested my old one and confirmed it was dead, removed and disposed of it, and then installed a new Lucas Premium battery for me with the car parked on the forecourt in front of the shop. I paid £89 all in.
£71.50 is indeed a very good price, but not an earth-shattering one!
Try Carparts4less - same company but without all the 'pre-sale markups' ECP has - often ECP with the sale discounts is cheaper though.

For batteries though, I'd go to Tayna
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https://advancedbatterysupplies.co.uk/

always buy all my batteries from here
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353mm definitely won't fit as I measured my battery tray (mines a 1.9) unless different models have different sized battery trays. The exide I bought fits perfectly length and width wise and is exactly the right height.
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Strange....so how come it fits in johnnyropers car?
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Well on mine to get a 353mm long battery to fit you'd have to remove the ECU mounting bracket. See my photo below. The tape measure starts at the back of my battery which is at the back of the battery tray.
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