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alfa 156 rear suspension

hi there i am going to change my suspension on my sportwagon .it has self leveling rear suspension i roughly know what kit i am going to get (any sugestions gratefully received) but i have been told i need to replace the top mount on the rear suspension but after speaking to E.B.Spares today the guy there told me the mount from the self leveling strut will fit no problem can anyone help

the kit i was thinking about was either;

b4 shocks with eibach springs about £500 or
koni street kit about £400 or
maxton suspension off ebay about £300

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This might save you some money if you want Eibach springs:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=330467302107

Also, Autolusso can supply Bilstein B4 shocks for the 156/147/GT for 10% less than EBSpares price. Got a complete set in stock on the shelf ready to go.

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thanks for that will bid on the springs might get for a descent price. i can get 2 front 2 rear bilstein B4 shockers from a place called halo motorsport for £295 inc delivery do i need a new top mount on the rear to change from self levelling cheers mark g
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My rear l/h shock on sw is knacked so am looking into this myself. any info you get for replacement shocks and springs would be welcome.

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hi mate it all depends how much you want to spend because unless you fit them yourself it can be quite expensive job to have them fitted my local alfa specialist which i use all the time has quoted me £60 plus vat per corner i am leaning towards buying a kit i think not shocks then springs seperately.if i get the bilsteins B4 which are a slightly upgraded replacement then some eibach springs i am looking at about £420 from a company called motorsport world plus fitting then there is the new koni street kit which is everything springs and shocks which i can get for £350 inc vat and postage then there is a kit on ebay from maxton which people on here have said is a good budget kit and that is about £280 all in .the only confusion i am having is some people say i need new rear top mounts as mine has the self levelling suspension and the tops are different and some people dont if i do need them they are arount £70 a pair you can even go to the other end of the scale and get coilovers for about £1500 about half the value of my car i think lol........mine is in the garage at the moment broken cambelt it broke 3 days before it was due to go in and be done so need to sort the suspension while it is there so get it done at the same time

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hi mate it all depends how much you want to spend because unless you fit them yourself it can be quite expensive job to have them fitted my local alfa specialist which i use all the time has quoted me £60 plus vat per corner i am leaning towards buying a kit i think not shocks then springs seperately.if i get the bilsteins B4 which are a slightly upgraded replacement then some eibach springs i am looking at about £420 from a company called motorsport world plus fitting then there is the new koni street kit which is everything springs and shocks which i can get for £350 inc vat and postage then there is a kit on ebay from maxton which people on here have said is a good budget kit and that is about £280 all in .the only confusion i am having is some people say i need new rear top mounts as mine has the self levelling suspension and the tops are different and some people dont if i do need them they are arount £70 a pair you can even go to the other end of the scale and get coilovers for about £1500 about half the value of my car i think lol........mine is in the garage at the moment broken cambelt it broke 3 days before it was due to go in and be done so need to sort the suspension while it is there so get it done at the same time

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By the sound of it you could by a new motor of similar spec for the amount your about to shell out on repairs n labour? ouch...

Hope you get back on the road soon with as little wallet damage as possible
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i know but if i swapped it would cost a lot more than the £1500 i have budgeted for the work and i also need my wheels refurbed....it only money...i wish i had some lol
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hi there

just got my koni strt suspension kit delivered yesterday i ordered in november 2010 and received yesterday its only taken 2 months!!!

if it was a corsa or something else as crap as that it would have been 2 weeks!!!

hopefully fitting it this weekend

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hi there

just got my koni strt suspension kit delivered yesterday i ordered in november 2010 and received yesterday its only taken 2 months!!!

if it was a corsa or something else as crap as that it would have been 2 weeks!!!

hopefully fitting it this weekend

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Hi Mark

Could you please write a review of the change? I also have a nivomat and I would like to change it with same kit.

If you could take the measurements of car height before and after the change? Kit specification note is to lower the car 40 mm front and rear. If you have sport version assume your car is already app. 20 mm lower so difference should be 20 mm.

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just got my koni strt suspension kit delivered yesterday i ordered in november 2010 and received yesterday its only taken 2 months!!!

if it was a corsa or something else as crap as that it would have been 2 weeks!!!

hopefully fitting it this weekend

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I got one of those too! Pretty good tbh. Then again ANYTHING is better than the standard Lusso suspension on the 2.4 20v!

btw it was HOURS of fun fitting it.......
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I got one of those too! Pretty good tbh. Then again ANYTHING is better than the standard Lusso suspension on the 2.4 20v!

btw it was HOURS of fun fitting it.......

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can you please tell me how much has your car been lowered with this kit?
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It's hard to say as I didn't measure it (incidentally mines the saloon - I just got excited cos I saw the same kit I've got! )

It's a LOT lower than standard Lusso ride height though - at least 30mm, possibly the full 40. I'll snap a pic of it in the morning if I remember.

Incidentally, watch out for the front shock clamp bolts (see picture). You need an E14 external torx socket, a blow torch, loctite freeze spray and a fair bit of luck (which deserted me on the driver's side )
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hi there i am going to change my suspension on my sportwagon .it has self leveling rear suspension i roughly know what kit i am going to get (any sugestions gratefully received) but i have been told i need to replace the top mount on the rear suspension but after speaking to E.B.Spares today the guy there told me the mount from the self leveling strut will fit no problem can anyone help

the kit i was thinking about was either;

b4 shocks with eibach springs about £500 or
koni street kit about £400 or
maxton suspension off ebay about £300

cheers mark g
im sure someone who had self levellers on his SW needed top mounts off rears from a saloon cos they ARE different
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It's hard to say as I didn't measure it (incidentally mines the saloon - I just got excited cos I saw the same kit I've got! )

It's a LOT lower than standard Lusso ride height though - at least 30mm, possibly the full 40. I'll snap a pic of it in the morning if I remember.

Incidentally, watch out for the front shock clamp bolts (see picture). You need an E14 external torx socket, a blow torch, loctite freeze spray and a fair bit of luck (which deserted me on the driver's side )
On the slightly earlier models, they used a bolt which took a 10mm allen bit, and on the other end they had an oblong nut which meant you didn't need to hold it with a spanner. Much prefer the older ones
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Yes I remember cursing the change of design when I did mine!

Going off the OP's pic I'm guessing (unfortunately) the later type?.....
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im sure someone who had self levellers on his SW needed top mounts off rears from a saloon cos they ARE different
So with this kit do I certainly need top mounts at back for my SW (nivomat) or not?
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Can't help with the rear mounts i'm afraid, but as I promised earlier - this is the ride height I ended up with.

My undertray is getting very "second hand" and scrapes on crowned roads (but not on speed bumps - go figure!). Im after one of the alloy ones from alfisti.net when I can afford it.

Much less bottoming out than on the standard units, unless I REALLY barrel it through a dip
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So with this kit do I certainly need top mounts at back for my SW (nivomat) or not?
im sure theres a thread on here somewhere ,i believe using stock mounts at back for self levelling the rear was high
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you do need new top mounts to change from nivomat to normal set up got mine from pud at autolusso not sure what the difference is between the 2 mounts i will let you know when i fit the kit was going to do it today but in the middle of selling a house that has had a flood so sorting that.thanks for the tip on the torx fitting but i was told by the guys at heath road garage that you undo the bolt from the bottom of the wishbone by the hub and drop the hub down leave the upper wishbone in place and lift the strut out and then fit in reverse?? the rear shocks on this kit are massive and very thick the front ones are very thin. the back of my car is on its a##e anyway so the kit will only higher it up and drop the front so should look loads better.i will take before and after photos.

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what did you do to the drivers side to get it done in the end?

did you find any other issues whilst doing the change or pretty straight forward?

did you have to remove the carpet from the boot completely or could you pull it away enough to get to the top bolt?

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what did you do to the drivers side to get it done in the end?

did you find any other issues whilst doing the change or pretty straight forward?

did you have to remove the carpet from the boot completely or could you pull it away enough to get to the top bolt?

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just move it out of way
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the reason why top mounts are needed, is that the nivomats are one piece. So the mounts do not come off.
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the reason why top mounts are needed, is that the nivomats are one piece. So the mounts do not come off.
Nivomat struts are supplied assembled with springs and top mounts. When you're replacing them with standard shocks, you can dismantle the strut in the same way as the normal suspension and re-use the top mount. I've done this and ended up with the rear sitting maybe 10mm too high, doesn't look too bad but wish I'd gone for the springs from a Veloce saloon rather than the SW ones recommended by EB Spares.
Would love to know if the top mounts are actually different, especially if the Nivomat ones are 10mm thicker and changing them would correct my ride height

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Nivomat struts are supplied assembled with springs and top mounts. When you're replacing them with standard shocks, you can dismantle the strut in the same way as the normal suspension and re-use the top mount. I've done this and ended up with the rear sitting maybe 10mm too high, doesn't look too bad but wish I'd gone for the springs from a Veloce saloon rather than the SW ones recommended by EB Spares.
Would love to know if the top mounts are actually different, especially if the Nivomat ones are 10mm thicker and changing them would correct my ride height
have you not just answered your own question there ?
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