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what did you do to the drivers side to get it done in the end?

did you find any other issues whilst doing the change or pretty straight forward?

did you have to remove the carpet from the boot completely or could you pull it away enough to get to the top bolt?

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I cursed and swore a lot! Managed to get a stud remover on it initially but had clearance issues. Eventually ground flats onto the exposed end and used mole grips followed by a 13mm spanner. Much heat and freeze release was used too!

And yeah as davealfa11 said you can just pull the carpet out of the way
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I've done this and ended up with the rear sitting maybe 10mm too high, doesn't look too bad but wish I'd gone for the springs from a Veloce saloon rather than the SW ones recommended by EB Spares.
I could bear 10mm bigger end with no problem

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Car looks very low. Would you measure the actual height from center of wheels to the top?
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hi there

as you can see from my photos my SW looks like its been lowered already on the rear but not yet this is how it looks

i have measured from the ground to the wheel arch

front 660mm

rear 630mm

so as you can see its sagging quite a lot

photodave what did you disconect on the front to enable you to remove and replace the shocker?
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hi again

as you can see the rear is low and i think once the kit is fitted the rear will be higher than the photos and front will be lower on the whole it should look better

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as you can see the rear is low and i think once the kit is fitted the rear will be higher than the photos and front will be lower on the whole it should look better

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rear is low i assume cos ya self levellers are shot

measure from centre of hub to wheel arch please
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have you not just answered your own question there ?
No, because:
  1. Alfa rear springs aren't available for a Veloce Sportwagon - Veloce 'wagons had Nivomat as standard.
  2. Saloon and Sportwagon rear springs are different, presumably because the back of a 'wagon is heavier

It is confusing, isn't it?
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Now I may add more confusion here, but a long time ago my veloce sportwagon had a leaking rear shock so took the car into my local mechanic (not an alfa specialist). I didn't realise that self levellers were standard on the veloce and neither did he. He got me a set of alfa sports rear shocks and when fitted, the car was sitting so low and basically the suspension was bottoming out. Eventually after calling a fair few people he discovered that it had self levellers and that with the standard sports shocks he needed to fit beefier springs. New springs fitted and the car was sitting just as it should, but he didn't change any mounts as far as I am aware. So you should be able to switch out self levellers without changing mounts as long as you get the right damper and spring combo.
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Now I may add more confusion here, but a long time ago my veloce sportwagon had a leaking rear shock so took the car into my local mechanic (not an alfa specialist). I didn't realise that self levellers were standard on the veloce and neither did he. He got me a set of alfa sports rear shocks and when fitted, the car was sitting so low and basically the suspension was bottoming out. Eventually after calling a fair few people he discovered that it had self levellers and that with the standard sports shocks he needed to fit beefier springs. New springs fitted and the car was sitting just as it should, but he didn't change any mounts as far as I am aware. So you should be able to switch out self levellers without changing mounts as long as you get the right damper and spring combo.
spring pan to eye bolts should be same ,spring length/rate be the issue here
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Just been out with the tape measure. 630mm front, floor to wheel arch lip. 655mm rear, with the handbrake on if that makes any odds?

I'm trying to remember back to June now, but i think it's the lower arm through bolt and the upper end of the arb droplink that need disconnecting, plus any ancillaries that are attached. You just need to be able to knock the fork off the shock.

Then am I right in remembering it's a deep drop 18mm spanner needed to finish off the top nut once the fronts are back in and the car's on the ground? I had to heavily modify (grinding the outside) an 11/16 AF and be very careful!

OOh yeah just remembered the rears. That long bolt was incredibly difficult to get out. It was seized to the spacer as well as everywhere else - and mine was registered Dec 2005, about as new as they get. When you finally get it off (and I needed the freeze release, blow torch and a breaker bar - plus mole grips to get the spacer moving), clean it all up and re-assemble with plenty of copper grease.....

Allow plenty of time for this job!

PS Mark, where did you get those little mudflaps from? My sills are losing paint so I need to get them resprayed and protected - those could be just the job!

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Just been out with the tape measure. 630mm front, floor to wheel arch lip. 655mm rear, with the handbrake on if that makes any odds?

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wheel arch to centre of hub(centre of badge on wheel) is dimension that matters ,take air out of tyre and it can change and its not a constant
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yep i'll buy that! Never thought about measuring ride height before but what you say makes perfect sense

335mm front and 350mm rear (not overly scientific about where the center of the hub was, mind so maybe a couple of mm either way!)
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hi there

we have had the car since it was 6 months old that was 7 and a bit years ago the mudflaps are genuine alfa ones been on since we first had it not sure if you can still get


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Your front drop is really low accordance to the rear app. 15 mm differences is a lot. My current measures are 350/355 mm rear, and 375/380 mm front (center of wheel badge to wheel arch). Iím very confused right now if I decide to change it for str.t kit which lowers car app. 40 mm
Also must consider the top mounts to be different like @Simon_S said. I really donít know what to do
Should I go with lowering or change it with normal springs and shocks?
Also one theme was about nivomat and changing with OEM springs (AR156 sw), shocks. After the procedure car was like 156 crosswagon
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Your front drop is really low accordance to the rear app. 15 mm differences is a lot. My current measures are 350/355 mm rear, and 375/380 mm front (center of wheel badge to wheel arch). I’m very confused right now if I decide to change it for str.t kit which lowers car app. 40 mm
Also must consider the top mounts to be different like @Simon_S said. I really don’t know what to do
Should I go with lowering or change it with normal springs and shocks?
Also one theme was about nivomat and changing with OEM springs (AR156 sw), shocks. After the procedure car was like 156 crosswagon
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no nooooo lowers your car few mm if that ,kit suggest lowers other models in range ie lusso by approx 40mm
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thats right blazo if you have the veloce like me its lowered by 20mm already from the factory so should lower a further 15-20mm if you have the turismo it will lower by the 40mm mine at the moment is from centre to arch is 360 ish front and 330 ish rear.the rear is low because the self leveling is knacked so should lower the front a bit and raise the rear so the stance will look how it should hopefully fit the kit this week or next weekend depending on work.

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blazo what model do you have veloce or turismo?

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blazo what model do you have veloce or turismo?

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I know that sport pack, TI version or Veloce in your country is app. 20mm lower than normal (Turismo).
I am sure that my car is sport pack version so it will lower like you said 15 to 20 mm. But yours in front is 360mm my is 375mm. What is then the turismo height 390mm?

Maybe is better then if I take eibach pro kit springs (30mm lower) with koni str.t shocks?
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Another point to make is it's MEANT to be higher at the back!!

In fact the Koni blurb even bangs on about maintaining such a stance for the car.....although when we go away with a boot full the rear wheels are almost up the arches! Fortunately the stiff springs and poly rear hub bushes cope fine with it.

thanks for the tip on the mudflaps btw!
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blazo i can see what you mean but because mine is already low at the back the front will be higher because it works like a see-saw if the back goes down the front goes up different countries have different suspension set ups so wait til i have put the kit on and i will get some photos uploaded then you can decide. i am sure mine will be higher at the back and lower at the front because the back is really low it looks lower than photodaves and i havent even put the kit on yet so we will wait and see. if it is low it wont bother me i used to have a 147 2.0ts and i put some eibach sportline springs on it and it lowered it 45mm and it looked awesome and the ride was excellent so the lower the better for me. i will try to get the kit on this week or weekend so bare with me then you can take it from there. what are the roads like where you live around here in staffordshire england they are rubbish thats why last year it was new upper and lower wishbones because of all the speedbumps and potholes. i will keep you posted

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hi there just to let you know blazo the kit on photodaves car is the same as i have because the kit depends on how many cylinders your car has and the kit we have is for a 4 cylinder car weather that be a diesel or petro, saloon or sportwagon so the ride height willproberbly be the same as i have got new top mounts from a saloon

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hi there just to let you know blazo the kit on photodaves car is the same as i have because the kit depends on how many cylinders your car has and the kit we have is for a 4 cylinder car weather that be a diesel or petro, saloon or sportwagon so the ride height willproberbly be the same as i have got new top mounts from a saloon

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difference on kits tend to be front axle weight either 4 pot or v6 /diesel 5 pot as units are heavier ,rears are the same rate across the range ie 960kg or heavier if i remember right
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i guess that is true but what suprised me with the koni kit was that they put the alfa 4 cylinder diesel with the petrol 4 cylinder and other kits put the 5 pot diesel and the 4 pot diesel together and the petrol one on there own guess they are right but a bit confusing

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Yeah I think some sellers get it round their necks. It should be 4 pot engines on one kit and 5 pot / V6 on the other. The STR-T kits are the same split, IF the seller has advertised them correctly!
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Yes I agree it's confused here in Koni case. If we look Eibach springs they separate diesel and petrol engines. Diesel engines are heavier and of course also 2.5 and V6.
The shocks are the same only difference is in springs for heavier engines. In Koni specification, spring for diesel is 10mm longer-only in front, rears are the same!
I have 1.9 sw diesel, maybe I will take springs for 2.4jtd and if the rear is higher because of nivomat and top mounts probably car will look even .. I'm just speculating
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the problem is if you have springs from a 5 pot diesel on a 4 pot diesel the ride height will be to high and because the engine wont compress the springs enough so ride will be very bouncy and choppy

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