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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

We had a 20v about 18 months ago with a genuine 42000 miles with seized water pump
Second highest 20v again with about 50000 with colapsed water pump bearings
The rest 16 or 20 v's have all had between 55 and 65 k miles.
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We had a 20v about 18 months ago with a genuine 42000 miles with seized water pump
Second highest 20v again with about 50000 with colapsed water pump bearings
The rest 16 or 20 v's have all had between 55 and 65 k miles.
Is there any link with age?
Or is that varying too?
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Is there any link with age?
Or is that varying too?
I've noted that all the 10 and 20V water pumps I've done were around 50K or 4 years, ealiest being 3 yrs 7 mths.
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Is there any link with age?
Or is that varying too?
It seems to be 3 years or there about
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

After reading the various threads regarding belt/water pump failure, I've just bottled it at 69k and 4 years 6 months and got the work carried out on my 16v JTD. I know looks can be deceptive, but the belt and water pump looked fine - there was still writing on the belt and the pump bearing felt smooth.

Still glad I got the work done, better safe than sorry.

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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

swapped mine at 64k which was a 54reg GT. Cant say it looked new lol
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

I will be getting mine done in a few weeks time at 60k miles 3 years 8 months
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That's interesting Rob, what month/year is your 156? Perhaps it was a bad batch of water pumps, affecting earlier 147/156/GT cars only, say late2003/2004? Just a thought
Mine was pre-registered to Alfa UK in April 2004, so it just fits in your date range. Unfortunately registration date doesn't necessarily relate to date of manufacture. I bought her "new" in August that year from "Smart Alfa", name familiar?
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Warning Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

just had a phone call from mrs a-team telling me her alfa jtd16vmjet has broken down on her way to work (m180 grimsby bound). engine cut out and steam and water comming from around the header tank area (more likeley lower down under belt cover). it was noted that there was a noisey belt yesterday. cam belt done at 70k no water pump was fitted as it felt fine when turned by hand. 76k on the clock and my moneys on water pump failure. if only i had read some of these threads concerning belts and pumps. i take it this means new water pump, belt and a hand full of rockers .was selling the car but then decided to keep as we were let down with the order of a new car.
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

Sorry to hear this

Let us know what you find
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

So is it necessary to remove the timing belt etc to replace the water pump (and once the timing belt comes off it is useless and must be replaced)?

Is it poor quality that causes the water pumps on these engines to fail? If so, what are they being replaced with? The same type of pumps and if so, should they be replaced again in 3-5 years/50-60k miles?

Lastly, should this be a sticky?
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the water pump has failed, shredding the cam belt and shagged some of the rockers. the garage where it was recovered to are going to check the compresion on the cylinders, just to make sure it has'nt bent any valves or worse. lessons to be learned here .i think this thread neads to be made sticky to warn others . i will keep up dating as and when i get the good or bad news.
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Mine went last year at 62,000, 4 year old 16v m-jet 147. The water pump bearings went, the shaft wobbled about and threw the belt.

Most of the rockers snapped, valves and pistons were ok. Alfa Romeo went halves up on the bill after I asked for a goodwill payment as the car was out of warranty but the belt snapped 10k before the scheduled change. Pleasantly surprised by the payment and I'm not really out of pocket because the belt would have had to be done this year anyway.

Good luck getting yours fixed a-team. Could be worth a cheeky letter to AR to see if they'd contribute towards the bill.
 
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

hi dibby,

i have got the ball rolling with ar customer services. case logged, i am just waiting for the repair bills then i will fax them off. cheers simon.
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

My belt and tensioners were replaced on my 05 GT JTD last year under main dealer warranty but this didn't include the water pump. I am now thinking about getting the work done again with the water pump included can you give me any advice on what I should look to pay for this work to be done?
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

We had an 8 valve with 41,ooo on the clock with a collapsed water pump last month, caught it before any damage was done.
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

if the belt is new'ish and tensioner and idler were done then it would be just the water pump @ 40 plus fitting . better to be safe than sorry. get it done
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. Could be worth a cheeky letter to AR to see if they'd contribute towards the bill.
how did you contact AR as we cant find an address
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if the belt is new'ish and tensioner and idler were done then it would be just the water pump @ 40 plus fitting . better to be safe than sorry. get it done
I'd say at the bare minimum it wants a new belt, maybe you could get away with tensioner and idler but see how much it adds to your bill. Labour is likely to be the killer here, whatever you do the belt needs to come off and so it is the labour for a cambelt change.
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Re: Waterpump/belt failure on the JTD 16v engines

Wow mines a 55 nov 05. 147 jtdm 16v face lift on 54k. I'm thinking it should be done soon.
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how did you contact AR as we cant find an address
Their UK head offices are at Slough, you can write to customer services at:

Alfa Romeo UK
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They don't seem to answer emails, phone or writing. Good luck peoples!
 
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