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Seems like the usual stuff..

Straw poll of 7 people.. Chose Cayman or 4C.. All said Cayman.

Driven: Alfa Romeo 4C in Britain - BBC Top Gear
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Ah the white one, I was in that car on Monday ;-)


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The Cayman is more money. we do not all have a bank acount that is flowing over.

Typical TopGear Quote.
Couple want a cheap hatchback to drive A to B and have 7 grand to buy it.
Top gear Answer.. buy a 12 grand Golf.

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They really "don't get" what the 4C is all about and that, my friends, is the problem. As Chris Harris put it " ...it's not a Porsche Cayman, and that is what the market needs!"

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They should be comparing this to the lotus not the cayman...
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LOL, they did an EVO : pick a car everyone raves about and slag it off. Everybody will pay attention, and up go the pageclicks, ad revenue, print sales etc. No matter that they themselves (as EVO did) first raved about it themselves. Car journo's are allowed that for some reason.

Nissan GT-Rs are fastest. Lotus makes the best chassis (but only crazy people would buy their cars). BMW is the best driving car (whatever that means). French cars are amusing and Italian cars are pretty in red. And in the end we all need to buy a Golf or a Porsche. There, I saved everyone a decade subscription of all UK car mags, because that folks, is all you'll ever read in them.
 
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Seems like the usual stuff..

Straw poll of 7 people.. Chose Cayman or 4C.. All said Cayman.

Driven: Alfa Romeo 4C in Britain - BBC Top Gear
I've told you so... but you told me to shut-up and so I did. Let's this german-english connection do the talk then.
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They really "don't get" what the 4C is all about and that, my friends, is the problem. As Chris Harris put it " ...it's not a Porsche Cayman, and that is what the market needs!"

Really couldn't be bothered with these old [email protected]!
Agree entirely, they just do not 'get it'. Two entirely different cars and people will buy them for very different reasons. I can't really believe many will be bought as a daily drive either. Who is this anonymous the reviewer anyway?!
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Typical lazy journalism... This car has character, but it doesn't feel like a German car... Remove the character and make it the same as all the German cars, then it will be acceptable...

When are these writers gonna realise that every car doesn't have to feel like a BMW... Or does the German advertising cash speak louder than integrity?
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The Alfa makes the Lotus look so gawky in those Autocar pics!
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That one is hilarious! What have they been drinking?

- Previously they tested on a track in Northern Italy and preferred it "over any Ferrari"
- Now, finally a test on UK roads. After some seconds... they take it to a TRACK! Wtf?
- On the track the Alfa almost runs into the others, it looks like it wants to eat them
- Then it gets really funny : a toyota on skinny eco tires shows it can drift (not sure how that relates to anything?) and the commenter tries to convince us the 4C understeers and the Cayman does not
...oops, video shows Cayman understeering.
then the commenter says the 4C engine is too slow in picking up speed and the Cayman is better
...oops, video shows Cayman not picking up speed after a corner, commenter apologising.

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Long may it continue.....it means that more people get sucked into buying German and we are more stylish and individual driving in our Alfas and ignoring the journalistic drivvle!
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This the same story with German cars being preferred over the Italian which has been going on ever since I was born.

Anyway I think If they just did some fine tuning on the Alfa it should be a fantastic car
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I love how they complain about the sound system and entertainment system in the Top Gear review! What do they expect it to have, BOSE!? Haha. Don't think Alfa put any thought into that other than it being light.


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The Autocar video review is interesting in that the pictures do seem to contradict a lot of what he was saying. On track the other two cars are clearly holding up the 4C, e.g. Around 9m mark while he eulogises over the Cayman the video shows the Porsche leaning and drifting to the outside of the second kink whereas the 4C remains flat, looking well within itself. Other times it has it's tail out while the 4C looks fed up waiting patiently behind!

The Toyota looks a lot of fun but for all his laughing it was so sideways at such low speeds it looked borderline uncontrollable. I appreciate that sounds wrong as its controllability is it's USP, I just think you'd quickly tire of its obvious inability to do a solid lap - if you're going to judge the contenders in a track environment as here. If you want a drift machine it's fine but again, you could buy a cheap drift tool for just a few grand and have a better car for cruising about daily. There's no mention of the FTs obvious shortcomings, and I have driven one.

I'd accept that the Cayman looks the part and is probably a far more sensible choice as a sole car for everyday use. It also has a better engine. But the reality is that a typical spec Cayman is more like 60-65k, one year old ones seem to sell around 55k (*very quick scan of a couple of dealer sites) so the Cayman is a 15-20% more expensive proposition. It will undoubtedly be easier to live with on a long slog up the M6 or stuck in traffic commuting.....but I think the film and others show if you want to take them both on track the 4C will eat the Cayman on lap times. And if you are going to value the Cayman on its daily usability you should acknowledge that as a road car/cruiser/commuter it lacks the quality of ride and space of say a Jag XF. has a lot less load lugging usefulness of an S6 Avant, and isn't as economical as ....well hundreds of city cars. But they ignore its arguably even more pronounced compromises because it actually isn't that fantastic a track/sports car against more focussed opposition.


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Yes the video completely contradicts what he says..

The 4C had to step on the brakes around 6:40 just to ensure it doesnt smash into the Cayman.

And the 86 can drift so what? Doesnt make it any quicker.

The 4C easily follows both cars and it doesnt even look like its breaking a sweat
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I fully agree! The video shows very evident that the 4C is much more neutral and faster! Happy they comment it in their way - Alfa 4C will be an exotic car and doesn't need any advertising from Topgear!
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What do you think "mildly terrifying" is? "Wildly near normal", or "insanely just above average", or "almost on the verge of disconcerting"?
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