Guess the Weight/Horsepower/Cost - Alfa Romeo Forum
You are currently unregistered, register for more features.    
Reply
 
Thread Tools
(Post Link) post #1 of 41 Old 09-01-13 Thread Starter
Status: On a Mission.
AO Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 856
Guess the Weight/Horsepower/Cost

Well, not long to wait now for the unveiling of the production version of the 4C (should be at the Geneva Auto Show), and hopefully the all-important specifications and prices.

As there has been much speculation in the motoring media and on this site, I thought it'd be fun for people to try and guess the final kerb weight, the engine output, and price. You can also add if/when you think it'll be available in RHD.

No prizes! Just interested to see what people think the final spec will be.

So, here goes...

1040 kg

276hp

£48,500

RHD: Yes, but not until 2015
FoxtrotOscar is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Status: Breraless :(
AO Platinum Member
 
Squadrone Rosso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: United Kingdom
County: Neath Port Talbot
Posts: 30,126
960kg, 260 BHP, £45k.
Squadrone Rosso is offline  
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Ben_NZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,468
1150kg (due to the production interior borrowing parts from the existing 'range')
245hp in Dynamic mode
£49.5k (for that "starting under £50k' claim)
RHD: There better be! It's bad enough they're not making me a proper manual gearbox.
Ben_NZ is offline  
Status: Pain in the veins, but passion in the blood
AO Silver Member
 
giordano92's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
County: New South Wales
Posts: 4,407
Garage
980kg, 260bhp, £48,000 and fingers crossed RHD available.

Saluti, Giordano.
giordano92 is offline  
Perreby
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
985, 270bhp, 48K Euro's

Still don't get why some are doubtful about RHD versions.. RHD in Q4:2013
 
Status: The Bored, BORED
AO Gold Member
 
Snokio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: I would rather not say
County: -
Posts: 6,454
1050kg, 275bhp, £38k, 0-60 between 5 to 5.5 seconds
Snokio is offline  
Status: Regretting switching to VW. Miss Mito
AO Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: Essex
Posts: 1,093

Member car:

Mito 1.4 16v.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_NZ View Post
1150kg (due to the production interior borrowing parts from the existing 'range')
245hp in Dynamic mode
£49.5k (for that "starting under £50k' claim)
RHD: There better be! It's bad enough they're not making me a proper manual gearbox.
It won't be 1150kg. That's more than the Mito range. Don't see that happening.

If it WERE that heavy, they'd make it 300bhp, so I'm not expecting this.
Ubizzle is offline  
Status: -
AO Member
 
Clorus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: United Kingdom
County: Greater London
Posts: 82

Member car:

4C

i'd say 900kg (as eu unladen should be below 999kg),
260hp,
£40000 (Eur50000),
0-100: 4.4s
260km/h

at least i hope so
Clorus is offline  
Status: -
Unregistered
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: United Kingdom
County: Midlands
Posts: 107

Member car:

alfa romeo 159

Is it still going to be made of carbon ?
carnut121 is offline  
Status: Breraless :(
AO Platinum Member
 
Squadrone Rosso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: United Kingdom
County: Neath Port Talbot
Posts: 30,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by carnut121 View Post
Is it still going to be made of carbon ?
Partly, yes. The chassis IIRC.
Squadrone Rosso is offline  
Status: -
Unregistered
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: United Kingdom
County: Midlands
Posts: 107

Member car:

alfa romeo 159

Awsome wish I could afford one
carnut121 is offline  
Status: twisted alestarter
Club Member
Membro Premio
 
Club Member Number: 59
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 76,882
Garage
955 kg

240hp

£44,500
steveisfrowning is offline  
Status: pothole avoidance score - 9 out of 10
AO Silver Member
 
Laptop_Matt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: United Kingdom
County: Derbyshire
Posts: 3,046
Garage
1050 kg
278 bhp
£43k
Laptop_Matt is offline  
Status: -
AO Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Finland
County: Etela-Suomen Laani
Posts: 396
Alfa will claim a kerb weight of 985 kg but when AutoCar puts it on a scale it will weigh 1200kg. Alfa will claim 275bhp but once this is tested on a rolling road it turns out 235bhp and the missing 40bhp will appear momentarily on over boost like in the Giulietta QV. Price will be £48,500 but once you add metallic paint, climate control (will have manual air con as standard), xenon lights, parking distance controllers, radio, red calipers, and nicer wheels (standard wheels to be 17 inches), and leather interior you are looking at £55,000.

Sorry guys, just feeling a bit cynical about Alfa of late!!
ajs178 is offline  
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Ben_NZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,468
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajs178 View Post
Alfa will claim a kerb weight of 985 kg but when AutoCar puts it on a scale it will weigh 1200kg. Alfa will claim 275bhp but once this is tested on a rolling road it turns out 235bhp and the missing 40bhp will appear momentarily on over boost like in the Giulietta QV. Price will be £48,500 but once you add metallic paint, climate control (will have manual air con as standard), xenon lights, parking distance controllers, radio, red calipers, and nicer wheels (standard wheels to be 17 inches), and leather interior you are looking at £55,000.

Sorry guys, just feeling a bit cynical about Alfa of late!!
That's where I'm coming from. I didn't realise my 1150kg prediction was heavier than a MiTo, but I can see the 4C being longer and wider than a MiTo with heavier suspension/brakes/wheels. And the body could be steel for all we know, to.. um.. help the UK insurance group rating.
And for my power prediction, 245hp is 10hp more than the Giulietta QV and the 4C is surely gonna launch with the same engine. With a lighter weight than the Giulietta they don't need to up the power much, and I doubt they'd gamble on boosting up a 1750cc motor to 300hp given they're going to sell it in the US. Plus 245hp gives them scope to turn up the (over)boost a bit for later editions.
ajs178, I'm sure you mean all the good non-metallic colours will also bump up the price. The only colour that you'll get for no extra cost will be something yuck like Achille Blue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 73GTVJim
"PS and you agree with Ben so you must be wrong "
Ben_NZ is offline  
rhg
Status: -
AO Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 381

Member car:

156 GTA SW

Well here's what I've got:

"We would also like to take this opportunity to officially confirm that the Alfa 4C will be
built in right hand drive and will be very true (with the exception of the interior) to the
concept and will achieve that all important target weight of circa 900kg.. Something
we know you and your customers will be very happy to hear.
We will of course give you more information as soon as we can which we currently
anticipate will be in March to coincide with the Geneva Motorshow.Ē
rhg is offline  
Status: Busy busy busy!
Club Member
Membro Premio
 
Pud237's Avatar
 
Club Member Number: 71
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: United Kingdom
County: Cumbria
Posts: 44,754
The prices you're all quoting - are they "net" prices, as in the amount Alfa Romeo actually charge for the car, or are they "On The Road" prices, as in VAT included and a tax disc in the window, obviously minus any optional extras?

Just to make sure we're all comparing apples with apples
Pud237 is offline  
Status: Etna Black is the new GhiaccoWhite
AO Silver Member
 
davidjwbailey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: United Kingdom
County: Bedfordshire
Posts: 1,480
Dry 920kg, Kerb 992kg (all fluids, battery, 20l fuel)
252bhp / Dmode 278bhp
£42,100 + 'OTR costs' with no options, £56,000 fully loaded in metallic paint
RHD delivery end Q3/2013, early 2014

PR and 'whispers' all seem to be clear that they can beat 250bhp and there is a hint of a 'balls out' setting on the DNA switch. I'd love the new engine to be the 300bhp Chrysler/Alloy block variant, of course. Alfa has been very clear that it will come in under 1000kg, and probably nearer 900kg. Price whispers have all held in the 45k Euro range.

Its not the €35k, 200bhp, 850kg feather weight they first talked about for 2012 delivery (and I was very clear about how let down I felt about that in these forums), but it is still an outstanding car.

Road going test cars are out there. It is going to happen.
Fingers x'd

DavidJWBailey
davidjwbailey is offline  
Perreby
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidjwbailey View Post
Dry 920kg, Kerb 992kg (all fluids, battery, 20l fuel)
252bhp / Dmode 278bhp
£42,100 + 'OTR costs' with no options, £56,000 fully loaded in metallic paint
RHD delivery end Q3/2013, early 2014

PR and 'whispers' all seem to be clear that they can beat 250bhp and there is a hint of a 'balls out' setting on the DNA switch. I'd love the new engine to be the 300bhp Chrysler/Alloy block variant, of course. Alfa has been very clear that it will come in under 1000kg, and probably nearer 900kg. Price whispers have all held in the 45k Euro range.

Its not the Ä35k, 200bhp, 850kg feather weight they first talked about for 2012 delivery (and I was very clear about how let down I felt about that in these forums), but it is still an outstanding car.

Road going test cars are out there. It is going to happen.
Fingers x'd
The engine is the new 1750TBi aluminum block engine that Alfa Romeo CEO announced last year.. The power hasnt been confirmed but I have official confirmation that the engine thats in the 4C is the new 1750TBi engine

We will see the DNA system.. But there might (and this is a BIG might) be a switch to either disable the DNA system or at least disable traction control
 
Status: New Seat Ateca 1.0 SE in my garage
AO Silver Member
 
Alfamack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: United Kingdom
County: Cheshire
Posts: 5,100

Member car:

Seat Ateca SE

985KG
278bhp quoted
£46500 On the road
RHD Definately
Alfamack is offline  
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
Big Jon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: United Kingdom
County: Antrim
Posts: 2,994
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perreby View Post
We will see the DNA system.. But there might (and this is a BIG might) be a switch to either disable the DNA system or at least disable traction control
Does that mean it'll have a proper mechanical limited slip diff as it would be a bit of a waste disabling t/c otherwise?
Big Jon is offline  
Perreby
Status: - Update
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jon View Post
Does that mean it'll have a proper mechanical limited slip diff as it would be a bit of a waste disabling t/c otherwise?
I asked around and my sources are stiff lipped about the real LSD...

But lets not wonder off topic on this thread.. Ill post other "info" on the "Sick of Waiting" thread.. Since that's the biggest one in the 4C lounge
 
Status: -
AO Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Finland
County: Etela-Suomen Laani
Posts: 396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben_NZ View Post
ajs178, I'm sure you mean all the good non-metallic colours will also bump up the price. The only colour that you'll get for no extra cost will be something yuck like Achille Blue.
Exactly! Alfa must be the only manufacturer out there to get away with charging extra for normal, non-metallic, red and white colours. Normally those are the only non-cost colours for other makes!
ajs178 is offline  
(Post Link) post #24 of 41 Old 11-01-13 Thread Starter
Status: On a Mission.
AO Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 856
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pud237 View Post
The prices you're all quoting - are they "net" prices, as in the amount Alfa Romeo actually charge for the car, or are they "On The Road" prices, as in VAT included and a tax disc in the window, obviously minus any optional extras?

Just to make sure we're all comparing apples with apples
I was thinking showroom sticker price, so not including number plates, delivery, road fund licence etc.

And a little note to other posters on this thread: going a little off-topic is OK, so long as you remember to state your guess!
FoxtrotOscar is offline  
Status: Smells of Eue De Autoglym
AO Gold Member
 
GTV Gav's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ireland
County: Kildare
Posts: 6,738

Member car:

'96 GTV TS

My guess is
950kg
270 bhp
Ä45000 (although in Ireland once it is on the road it will be closer to 60k)
GTV Gav is offline  
Reply

Go Back   Alfa Romeo Forum > Supported Alfa Romeo Models > Technical & Vehicle Assistance > 4C & 4C Spider

Tags
guess

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome