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British roads are the problem not the 4C.

I've just got back from a long journey through Europe and I have come to a conclusion with the 4C.

The problem isn't the car or the suspension. Its the crap UK roads. The entire journey through Europe the car was sublime, not pulling or tugging in any direction with the exception of just one stretch of Autobahn where the trucks had created large ruts in the tarmac.

I literally drove out of the Eurotunnel and onto the coarse badly maintained UK roads and realised just how bad we have it over here. Certainly explains the reviews being glorious in Italy and then when the car arrived here it was slated for suspension/steering.
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I think that applies to Most recent Alfa's.

They are setup for the european roads not the UK ones.
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I don't get this whole "crap British roads" thing... I have driven in many parts of Europe, and also in Britain (well, England) and I really didn't notice any significant difference. Most British roads, save for really off-the-beaten-path little tiny roads, seemed fine to me.
Perhaps it's because I've always had boring rental cars that just wallow around on the roads and transmit nothing through the steering wheel anyway.


What is it, specifically, about the British roads that's so bad?
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I don't get this whole "crap British roads" thing... I have driven in many parts of Europe, and also in Britain (well, England) and I really didn't notice any significant difference. Most British roads, save for really off-the-beaten-path little tiny roads, seemed fine to me.
Perhaps it's because I've always had boring rental cars that just wallow around on the roads and transmit nothing through the steering wheel anyway.


What is it, specifically, about the British roads that's so bad?
Potholes. Lots of potholes.
Generally the roads, including motorways are poorly maintained and have deteriorated over the years.
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Potholes. Lots of potholes.
Generally the roads, including motorways are poorly maintained and have deteriorated over the years.
I don't think I saw one pothole while there earlier this year (did see three Giulias and three 156 GTAs, though!)

And this was driving around all through England, from the South to the very far North, mostly off the motorways, except for a stretch of M1.

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English road layouts were set centuries ago. Many by railway engineers
using spiral curve bends and such like.

Also the general state of UK roads is shocking.

So there probably is a difference.


However I still think the "British road set-up" excuse is just a lazy cop-out used by the British motoring press to torpedo any car that doesn't fit their narrative. (German good, everything else: scheiße.)
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I've just got back from a long journey through Europe and I have come to a conclusion with the 4C.

The problem isn't the car or the suspension. Its the crap UK roads. The entire journey through Europe the car was sublime, not pulling or tugging in any direction with the exception of just one stretch of Autobahn where the trucks had created large ruts in the tarmac.

I literally drove out of the Eurotunnel and onto the coarse badly maintained UK roads and realised just how bad we have it over here. Certainly explains the reviews being glorious in Italy and then when the car arrived here it was slated for suspension/steering.
I agree 100% and noticed exactly the same thing you have just written about.

I took my 4C through France before I got Jamies Steering fix done to it, in the UK the car wanted to kill me, and in France she was superb (with exception of the deafening drone at 130kph which meant I drove +140kph when on the motorways.

Since then I had the steering fix and it minimises the UK's deteriorating roads... surely at the expense of my tyres I would presume...

In mY C Class I notice I end up using more fuel than on the continent, i'm guessing it's less efficient fighting rutts, pot holes and general uneven surfaces even if you don't notice the surface in a motorway tourer.
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which meant I drove +140kph when on the motorways.
Bloody tourists, coming over here ...
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English road layouts were set centuries ago. Many by railway engineers using spiral curve bends and such like.

Also the general state of UK roads is shocking.

What's wrong with spiral curves?

And once again, I really am starting to wonder if I'm that unobservant... I haven't noticed any big difference between English roads and roads on the European continent...
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Spiral curves get progressively tighter as you go in to a corner.
Works well for trains. Not so much for modern cars and their
relatively inexperienced drivers.
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I agree 100% and noticed exactly the same thing you have just written about.

I took my 4C through France before I got Jamies Steering fix done to it, in the UK the car wanted to kill me, and in France she was superb (with exception of the deafening drone at 130kph which meant I drove +140kph when on the motorways.

Since then I had the steering fix and it minimises the UK's deteriorating roads... surely at the expense of my tyres I would presume...

In mY C Class I notice I end up using more fuel than on the continent, i'm guessing it's less efficient fighting rutts, pot holes and general uneven surfaces even if you don't notice the surface in a motorway tourer.
Totally agree, have done two euro trips first was without Jamie's kit, second with. First trip was night and day between behavior on U.K. And French/Italian roads.
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Spiral curves get progressively tighter as you go in to a corner.
Works well for trains. Not so much for modern cars and their relatively inexperienced drivers.
How are "modern cars" upset by a spiral curve?

What is the alternative? A simple curve that is simply a section of a circle?

I'd imagine that would be even more of a problem for inexperienced drivers, as the transition from going straight ahead and turning is abrupt, which would lead to more errors because of surprise.
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One wonders why the gov can get away with spending billions on HS2 with barely an outcry and spend peanuts on roads yet complaints are very muted?
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we have it shocking over here, i to travel alot in europe, the uks roads and traffic management design is the worst i have experienced.. its really is shocking..
the highways industry just has a dont give a mnkeys attitude, is badly funded, and what money there is is very very badly spent by total ****ts, and then built by muppets.

ramt over
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I'd imagine that would be even more of a problem for inexperienced drivers, as the transition from going straight ahead and turning is abrupt, which would lead to more errors because of surprise.
I guess it depends how tight it gets.
There are plenty if documented accident blackspots in the UK because of these.

Some money has been spent 'shaving' them
but it still shows that a lot of UK infrastructure
is just old and decrepit.

(See also: Railways, water, sewage, electricity generation.)
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I'm still skeptical of this whole thing... Is this not perhaps like the "Alfa has crap quality, it'll fall apart after a week, mate!" thing? Like "British roads are so bad, everybody knows this!"

Admittedly I don't live there, but I have driven there and also in many other places around the world, including in various parts of mainland Europe. I didn't notice any significant difference. The roads I went on in England, ranging from a long stretch of the M1 to the tiniest country lane and everything in between, all seemed fine to me. No potholes, good road surfaces, good signage, good road markings...
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I think in the UK, we have the skill at creating the maximum amount of damage using the smallest amount of road surface.

When I was driving around the countryside outside of Bordeuax I was shocked at how many holes I didn't fall down. Smooth as silk all the way from the city centre to the rural areas. Didn't have to bail into hedges all the time. Didn't fall off the road because it's crumbled so badly.

In the UK, I feel like I am hitting potholes that make so much noise and cause such a disturbance, it's a wonder it isn't classed as a crash.
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