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4c test drive - steering

Took a 4c LE for a test drive this morning, within 100 yards at 25-30 mph I felt the car was trying to kill me, no feel whatsoever and the car followed every rut, grid, bump, camber etc, didn't seem too bad on smoother roads and at faster speeds but really didn't inspire any confidence to drive fast.
Are the newer cars (2016) any better?
Is it true that smaller wheels are better?
Have many owners had the Alfaworks upgrade for the steering and does it work?

Took an Exige V6 out in the afternoon totally different beast, inspires loads of confidence to put your foot down.....really wanted the 4c as I had a few Alfas but I honestly didn't feel comfortable at all with the steering ☹️☹️

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Took a 4c LE for a test drive this morning, within 100 yards at 25-30 mph I felt the car was trying to kill me, no feel whatsoever and the car followed every rut, grid, bump, camber etc, didn't seem too bad on smoother roads and at faster speeds but really didn't inspire any confidence to drive fast.
Are the newer cars (2016) any better?
Is it true that smaller wheels are better?
Have many owners had the Alfaworks upgrade for the steering and does it work?

Took an Exige V6 out in the afternoon totally different beast, inspires loads of confidence to put your foot down.....really wanted the 4c as I had a few Alfas but I honestly didn't feel comfortable at all with the steering ☹️☹️
You'll get used to it, but always hold the steering wheel with both hands.
Once the guarantee has finished, I'm thinking of an Alfaworks upgrade. Many have done this and they all say (Alfa Romeo 4C Forums) it should have been so from the start.
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Drove two 4c's today, one on 17" & 18" wheels and one with 18" & 19" wheels, both with sports exhaust.
Both drove far better than the LE (launch edition) I drove yesterday and both didn't tramline or try and steer themselves as much as the LE, certainly felt that I was the one controlling the car, the one on the smaller wheels had a slightly better ride and both were quieter no 'farts' from the exhaust.
All I can think is that the LE I drove yesterday must have had the race pack, sports suspension and race exhaust, it wasn't an Alfa dealer selling it therefore they don't know the various options.

Inside they don't feel as basic as an Exige and when you look in the wing mirrors and see the air scopes on the rear quarters you do think you are in something a bit special.
Acceleration, yes they are quick, don't think they are as quick as an Exige or if they are they hide it well and they are not as brutal as a Exige V6 on acceleration, not sure what way I will go, head says Exige heart says Alfa.

I've read on the net and the Alfa dealer I was at today was saying that production is stopping in 2018, wondering if the 4c could become a long term investment.
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To be honest you get used to the tram lining and hard suspension, only really comes alive above the max uk speed limits, don't want a European Japanese sanitised car, am happy with the 4c as it is, long term investment hopefully but if not you will be happy with having owned this machine, go for it, I own a launch edition 4c with the sports suspension and exhaust, couldn't be happier with my purchase. Asb
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Have a bog standard 4c with the Alfa workshop front suspension adjustment, inspires loads of confidence.
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My LE is as original, the 'untamed' nature of the handling is part of the appeal for me.
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Mine is on the smaller wheels and with Jamie Porter's kit. In revised form it went to Milan and back in the summer. Traversed numerous passes without trying to throw itself off. Handling issues - none whatsoever.
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Took a 4c LE for a test drive this morning, within 100 yards at 25-30 mph I felt the car was trying to kill me, no feel whatsoever and the car followed every rut, grid, bump, camber etc, didn't seem too bad on smoother roads and at faster speeds but really didn't inspire any confidence to drive fast.
Are the newer cars (2016) any better?
Is it true that smaller wheels are better?
Have many owners had the Alfaworks upgrade for the steering and does it work?

Took an Exige V6 out in the afternoon totally different beast, inspires loads of confidence to put your foot down.....really wanted the 4c as I had a few Alfas but I honestly didn't feel comfortable at all with the steering ☹️☹️
I think the '16/'17MY cars are much improved. I recently went on a drive with a couple of friends, one of whom has a '16 Spider, the other a '15 Coupe. When comparing notes the friend with the '15 Coupe said he was really struggling with the steering over the roads and at the speeds we were travelling. The two of us in '16MY cars, mine with 17/18" wheels, the Spider with 18/19" wheels, just had the occasional steering wheel flick. The '15Coupe owner has just had Jamie's steering blocks fitted last week. I'm yet to hear about the improvement.
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My friend reported that his steering has calmed down considerably since getting Jamie's steering blocks. He has noticed a slight increase in the heaviness of the steering though. I had an alignment done a couple of weeks ago and found the fronts were way off, the left front having toe-out and the right front to end-in. Now both sides have toe-in as specified by Alfa and a camber of -1 degrees. The front end feel and bite has improved noticeably. Less twitching of the steering too. Strangely, the car tracked straight on a constant throttle and under brakes on a straight, smooth road before the alignment was had. I really wanted to address some unwanted understeer when pressing on. Much better now. I'm considering going for a camber of -1.5 degrees with the factory camber kit (just shims) but I'll see how the current adjustment goes before doing anything further.

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Got Jamies steering done a few weeks ago,
I was hesitant as I didn't want to loose the feel of the road or all of the livliness it came with as standard.

Driving it back to London after the install I felt almost no difference, but once I take it on to smaller less maintained roads or on longer drives, I notice the difference.

I'm now not as tired at the end of the day and I can now on long boring motorways not have to keep both hands on the wheel all the time without fear of dying at any second.

I did originally say to the guys at AROC Hever Castle Meet the other week that I didn't find much of a difference, but now I have driven it more and the difference is worth it.

Still a little lively but a lot more manageable and predictable, hasn't lost any feel (other than the majority of road ruts that you can't even see with the naked eye) and I haven't noticed the steering getting any heavier either.

Well worth the £450 installed.
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Hi guys, what is this Jamie's block steering please?
I test-drove a 4c twice, and was certainly surprised by the steering, being used to assisted steering. Mostly when turning the car around when stopped or at very very low speed, and when on a highway.
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They are spacers that basically increase castor thereby increase steering stability. As well as road blocks there are intermediate and race blocks too that increase negative camber. Get a good 4 wheel alignment first before making an unnecessary purchase. There is definitely a difference in the steering of 16 and 17MY 4C's compared to the 15MY and earlier vintages. Later model years are considerably improved but initial alignment from the factory over all years has been notoriously poor. Go to the Alfaworks website for a look.

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