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Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Does anyone know, is there a time limit between being caught by a handheld camera and being issued with a summons to appear in court? Do they have to let you know within a certain time?
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

All I have ever heard is that it is 14 WORKING days, so nearly 3 weeks.

How fast were you going?
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Oooh....aaahh.....erm....how do you know it was me, could be a er...friend of mine? .

Indeed it was me!

Got done doing 105mph on a derestricted dual carriageway (70mph limit) on 31st Dec. Summons issued on 10th March (received today, 11th). I believe what you say is true for a fixed camera, but in my case it was a copper sat in his patrol car on a bridge with a hand held speed gun. I was pulled over and he gave me the little lecture and then advised me that I would be hearing from the authorities, probably within a couple of weeks . I'd only just got round to thinking that maybe he had let me off and just wanted me to stew for a couple of weeks! I've worked it out and it's 50 working days!


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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Sorry to hear about your summons - hope you don't get stung for too much cash or points.

But that's a pretty good speed for a cyclist
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

This is exactly what happened to me Max

unfortunately...you will hear from the authorities eventually

probably six months after the incident...if your pulled over then
it all goes through due process and catches up with you

Good luck though

it may be worth challenging the fact that there were no
reasonable warnings on the particular stretch of road but
they'll tie you up in knots...best take it on the chin
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

I guess that is pretty quick for a bike, I was taking pace behind a Ferrari at the time .
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Quinn, yes, I will indeed have to take it on the chin (from the wop gf too...hot temper ). I'm not a footballer and I can't afford a fancy lawyer. Interestingly though, the copper has filled in the witness statement and signed it, but the space next to his signature where it says "signature witnessed by" is blank. Hmmm... .
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

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Interestingly though, the copper has filled in the witness statement and signed it, but the space next to his signature where it says "signature witnessed by" is blank .
I'm not an expert, but if this is going to cost you points (so higher insurance) and a fine - it may be worth get some legal advice about this - you hear about a lot of cases that are thrown out on technicalities, sothe fact that his signature isn't witnessed may help.

Also, you said in an earlier post that the copper was on a bridge. I'm pretty sure I remember in Bristol we had some speeding tickets thrown out because the handheld camera was over the road and not necessarily taking accurate readings because of it's position in relation to the traffic. We have an underpass in the centre which is dual carriageway but 30mph and they used to stand on a roundabout over it and catch cars as they came out. I haven't seen them there for months and I'm sure it was because they weren't positioned correctly or something like that - it may be worth asking around or looking on the internet.
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Dunno about points, likely my licence! I used to know a traffic cop about 10 years ago, I might try and get in contact with him for an "off the record" bit of advice, if I can get his phone no.
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

I was told off the record by a policeman that they had to send you the ticket within two weeks.
The reasoning behind this was that it is not reasonable to expect you to remember where you were any further back than two weeks, but don't quote me.
If you were pulled over maybe that won't apply though..does your insurance give you legal cover?
Would they advise you?
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

No, from what I've read now, because I was warned of a possible prosecution in court at the time of the offence, the 2 week NIP thing doesn't apply. I'm cheesed off because it took so long to issue the notification, but I only have myself to blame of course.

Re: the insurance legal cover, I wouldn't have thought it would cover this sort of thing but I suppose I could ask, it might give the guy at the insurance company a chuckle!
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

There are deffinitely time limits, which are in effect from the date of the offence.

This first limit is 14 days for the police to send notice of intent to prosecute. Unless you were notified within 14 days then they cannot prosecute you. If they stopped you immediately after the offence and ticketed you there, then you have to take the wrap.

As for the summons, they have 6 months to issue this after the date of offence.

(My wife is in the legal biz')

Good luck!

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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Hey James, is your wife a) good and b) cheap? I'm thinking of using a solicitor!
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

I'm thinking of rephrasing that, but you know what I mean!
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Originally Posted by JamesG
There are deffinitely time limits, which are in effect from the date of the offence.

This first limit is 14 days for the police to send notice of intent to prosecute. Unless you were notified within 14 days then they cannot prosecute you. If they stopped you immediately after the offence and ticketed you there, then you have to take the wrap.

As for the summons, they have 6 months to issue this after the date of offence.

(My wife is in the legal biz')

Good luck!

James
Is your wife certain about the 6 months?

I got caught by a mobile camera 9 march 2005 - had the nip come through & never heard anything else.

At just over 12 months, that would mean I'm in the clear
Hence the question.
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Originally Posted by VO2Max
I'm thinking of rephrasing that, but you know what I mean!


Being female, cheap is not a word i'd use...

Speeding offences are either magistrates court or county court. You get a judge in a county court and it's never a good idea to represent yourself in front of a judge. They will always be biased towards a Barrister who will know the correct procedures. In a magistrates court you can get away with it. If you're a member of the AA or RAC they provide legal cover and will be able to help.

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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

You're free and clear. No chance of any action now. They probably found there was an issue with the camera calibration or siteing. A warning sign could have been missing. Any number of reasons. Anyway, unless there is something in the post for you within 6 months, you're free.

The drinks are on you!

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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Woo Hoo!
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

You may currently be on the 'Wanted' list of course

I reckon you've got away with that one.
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

on a certain stretch of road not far from me (A602) 'they' sometimes sit there in their van taking pics etc, and sometimes they have a sign up, sometimes not, and what I've noticed is when the signs are not there, my road angel keeps quiet! Do they do the fake pic taking just to keep you on your toes?
A pal of mine went past one of these vans at a higher speed and didn't recieve a ticket when there was no signs out. His snooper didn't pick it up either and that was normally very reliable!


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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

If you don not recieve a NIP throught the post within 14 days then you have escaped. Someone wrote earlier in the post about the area for a corroborating signature. In England there is no need for corroboration unlike Scotland. Usual prosecution time is 6 months, however in some circumstances they can be longer ie court dates and availability.
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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

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If you don not recieve a NIP throught the post within 14 days then you have escaped. Someone wrote earlier in the post about the area for a corroborating signature. In England there is no need for corroboration unlike Scotland. Usual prosecution time is 6 months, however in some circumstances they can be longer ie court dates and availability.
Yep, court date can be later, but they MUST serve you within six months, even if it's to say turn up at court in another 4 months...

You probably made one or two people a bit nervous there!!!

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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Originally Posted by Andy G
on a certain stretch of road not far from me (A602) 'they' sometimes sit there in their van taking pics etc, and sometimes they have a sign up, sometimes not, and what I've noticed is when the signs are not there, my road angel keeps quiet! Do they do the fake pic taking just to keep you on your toes?
A pal of mine went past one of these vans at a higher speed and didn't recieve a ticket when there was no signs out. His snooper didn't pick it up either and that was normally very reliable!
Several forces emply dummy vans. No real camera = no detection on road angel + no ticket, therfore drinks are on you too!!!

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Re: Time limit on issue of speeding summons?

Originally Posted by JamesG
Yep, court date can be later, but they MUST serve you within six months, even if it's to say turn up at court in another 4 months...

You probably made one or two people a bit nervous there!!!

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