Daytime Lights

We have had this discussion before and I can still clearly see the issues - without lights.

At the same time why not make mandatory :-

All cars to be painted Day Glo Orange
All drivers to wear Hi Viz clothing
All drivers to have head mounted flashing yellow light
All drivers to have flashing bright LED's in shoe heels
All cars to be equipped with automatic 120dB audio warning device sounding every 30 seconds
All car ECU's restricting speed to less than 20 mph
GPS controlled braking systems operated by Big Brother.

If you don't fancy this you can always stay at home providing :-

That you don't have electricity, you may electrocute yourself or others.
No water so you can't drown
No furniture as you may fall off and injure yourself
No cutlery, this is very dangerous
No carpets, possibility of suffocation if you fall asleep on this.
No food or drink, this may be contaminated with e numbers and/or additives

All tongue in cheek chaps but the point is where do you stop ? Life is inherently full of risks and I for one am sick of being nannied, managed to survive for quite some time without all this interference and what's certain is that one day I will die, perhaps helped along by booze, fags, women or Mono Sodium Glutomate but at least I'll have enjoyed the journey, without driving lights on sunny days !

Bound to be a popular post, best get me coat.

Originally Posted by Nige005

We have had this discussion before and I can still clearly see the issues - without lights.

At the same time why not make mandatory :-

All cars to be painted Day Glo Orange
All drivers to wear Hi Viz clothing
All drivers to have head mounted flashing yellow light
All drivers to have flashing bright LED's in shoe heels
All cars to be equipped with automatic 120dB audio warning device sounding every 30 seconds
All car ECU's restricting speed to less than 20 mph
GPS controlled braking systems operated by Big Brother.

If you don't fancy this you can always stay at home providing :-

That you don't have electricity, you may electrocute yourself or others.
No water so you can't drown
No furniture as you may fall off and injure yourself
No cutlery, this is very dangerous
No carpets, possibility of suffocation if you fall asleep on this.
No food or drink, this may be contaminated with e numbers and/or additives

All tongue in cheek chaps but the point is where do you stop ? Life is inherently full of risks and I for one am sick of being nannied, managed to survive for quite some time without all this interference and what's certain is that one day I will die, perhaps helped along by booze, fags, women or Mono Sodium Glutomate but at least I'll have enjoyed the journey, without driving lights on sunny days !

Bound to be a popular post, best get me coat.

Very good post Nige

Originally Posted by Nige005

We have had this discussion before and I can still clearly see the issues - without lights.

At the same time why not make mandatory :-

All cars to be painted Day Glo Orange
All drivers to wear Hi Viz clothing
All drivers to have head mounted flashing yellow light
All drivers to have flashing bright LED's in shoe heels
All cars to be equipped with automatic 120dB audio warning device sounding every 30 seconds
All car ECU's restricting speed to less than 20 mph
GPS controlled braking systems operated by Big Brother.

If you don't fancy this you can always stay at home providing :-

That you don't have electricity, you may electrocute yourself or others.
No water so you can't drown
No furniture as you may fall off and injure yourself
No cutlery, this is very dangerous
No carpets, possibility of suffocation if you fall asleep on this.
No food or drink, this may be contaminated with e numbers and/or additives

All tongue in cheek chaps but the point is where do you stop ? Life is inherently full of risks and I for one am sick of being nannied, managed to survive for quite some time without all this interference and what's certain is that one day I will die, perhaps helped along by booze, fags, women or Mono Sodium Glutomate but at least I'll have enjoyed the journey, without driving lights on sunny days !

Bound to be a popular post, best get me coat.

Don't happen to have a spare coat do you matey? Preferably a nice day/glo number with flashing lights and horn, complete with rubber shielding and lot's of padding. Just incase we have to walk (very carefully) home from the pub after a 1/2 shandy each.

Originally Posted by Nige005

Bound to be a popular post, best get me coat.

good one. and you do have a point

Originally Posted by alfaclover

Don't happen to have a spare coat do you matey? Preferably a nice day/glo number with flashing lights and horn, complete with rubber shielding and lot's of padding. Just incase we have to walk (very carefully) home from the pub after a 1/2 shandy each.

Pubs ? Next on the list comrade, can't have you enjoying yourselves if you are not part of the ruling class.

Shandy ? Shandy ? You'll be bluidy lucky, did I not mention that alcohol is going to be charged at £50 per 1 percent by volume, wont do to have old farts like me running riot in the streets after 2 pints of Red Barrel !

Originally Posted by broom_zoeyellow

and for those who think that itll detract from "seeing" motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians....well you'd have to have a serious opthalmological or neurological disorder to not notice them....in which case you'll be found out and shouldnt be driving in the first place.

just ask yourselves...is a Volvo regularly at the scene of a car vs. cyclist/pedestrian accident?

The same applies if you can't see a car without sidelights turned on in the daylight.

My mates 05 Volvo went up in smoke the other day, locked them in the car the lot. Maybe fire extinguishers should be mandatory too. Better yet sprinklers.

Originally Posted by Quinn

I may be wrong about this, but we all have a pair of eyes

Absolutely, and if you did see something behind you with its dipped beam on you knew it was probably a biker so you were aware of them.

Another pointless intrusion replacing common sense.

if it meant that a kid saw you more clearly round a corner...if it meant that the split second difference between seeing no lights and seeing a car with lights actually saved a life...
this isnt about nanny state and having car sprinklers....
how many of you have been in an accident and thanked God for your airbags...so what if they caused a few burn marks...youre alive...they didnt exist 15 years ago
think of it like this...we give every baby in this country vaccinations to PREVENT the event of major preventable illnesses, including meningitis....
you dont have to have the vaccines for your child....but if you knew that it would prevent major illness...then you would
if having your lights on during the day meant that you KNEW that fewer road accidents would occur....then why are we arguing?

We are arguing because, hard as it is to say there has to be trade off between safety and freedom.

Every last H&S recommendation can be fully justified if you regard any injury as unacceptable. Reducing the national speed limit to 65mph is a logical extension of this approach, no one really suffers if there is a drop of 5mph but lives will be saved.

The trouble is, that to counter this approach you have to say that endless nannying regulation (for our undoubted benefit) is eroding the point of being free, of exercising common sense, and being responsible for taking care of our own (and others) safety.

If they spent more time on educating kids it wouldn't be a problem. Why are there kids on their own anyway?! Never happend when I was a kid!!!

Airbags what a waste of time. I know a few people who have had some real bad smashes, barrell rolls the lot and yet not one airbag deployed.

How do we KNOW fewer road accidents will occur?? Because it's been tested in another country?? A country that do doubt isn't full of arragont, self centred, impatient pricks such as ourselves.

but we're human David and hard as it to say...we are not responsible for anybody else but ourselves....and that is the innate human instinct...to protect one's self..

Originally Posted by G5een

If they spent more time on educating kids it wouldn't be a problem. Why are there kids on their own anyway?! Never happend when I was a kid!!!

Airbags what a waste of time. I know a few people who have had some real bad smashes, barrell rolls the lot and yet not one airbag deployed.

How do we KNOW fewer road accidents will occur?? Because it's been tested in another country?? A country that do doubt isn't full of arragont, self centred, impatient pricks such as ourselves.

oh dear

Originally Posted by broom_zoeyellow

but we're human David and hard as it to say...we are not responsible for anybody else but ourselves....and that is the innate human instinct...to protect one's self..

Does that not go against the whole argument for having them??

why is that statement pointless

we use our eyes whether driving or not and we use
our brains too

done it again...got mixed up....worthy of a bog off

Have you seen an Italian arterial road at midday?

Streams of traffic in both directions under the bleached white glaze of the midday sun ...all with their headlamps on.

Ridiculous.

Laughable.

The law.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

For the last few years we have been fed arguments and " proof " that this proposed new legislation will solve " X " problems, we are all aware that current legislation is heavily biased toward Green Issues and that this new law will save the planet and make us all happy. Will it ? I don't know and am not qualified to say, however, as I get no choice in it I have to accept it whether or not I believe it.

I'm sure that there is good independent proof out there on many issues but suspect it would be hard to find, we are fed the version presented because it suits the political climate at this time and everyone happily jumps aboard and so we all sail away into the sunset, some happy, some not.

How can statistics based on reality in a different