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Can anyone help mi in sourcing out some DC injectors? I'm looking for the new, unused ones at semi-normal price, if possible
Bosch # 0 445 110 341
Unless you're willing to pay 400 euro/piece for those, these will be tough to get. I've searched about a year and was lucky to find them at Ebay. 3 in the UK, 1 in France.
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i got two at ~320 a piece... so somewhere around that, and up to 400 is acceptable. Problem is, can't find new ones at all.
I've found these, but can't be sure if they are legit
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I was offered a new set from Bosch through Diesel Bob in the UK for about 1200.
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Thank you, I'll send them and email to see if offer still stands
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i guys, i've the solution for bigger nozzle in 2 valve for cylinder jtd(jtdm engine. i work for Genie industries and we use a perkins 854e-e34ta that is a 3.4 litre mjet engine by fpt with edc17c49 ecu, this engine is 8v with inclined injector mount like our multijet, nozzle ar perfet, i've used on my car (1.9 jtdm 8v) with great result. injector code is 0445110457 and nozzle code is dlla140p2303, 0.145mm per 8 hole, and i have timing map read from ecu. only problem is impossible to find this nozzle on china or from bosch, 'i've taken from our engine broken, is a stage 4 engine with dpf. hopefull this notice can help you, now i mount a 16v engine with dlla 148p1815 nozzle 7x0.195 mm hole and i've sell older injector very quicly!
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Hi Patrick, could you post the injector timing map of Perkins engine ECU here please?
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299 are completely the same injector as 327, only difference is in coding.

299s are coded for EDC16 CF5, and 327s are coded for EDC16 CF4... CF5 codes are not compatible with CF4 ECUs, without some "heavy" modifications of the ECU.

Probably the easiest option for you is to take 299 injectors, and get them calibrated as 327. And then you will be able to program the codes easily in to your ECU. And then copy duration table from 299 or 327 into your ECU.
So, theorically, could I copy the soi/pre/duration maps from a cf4 159 210hp (327 injectors) into my cf4 166 185hp (213 injectors), then enter ima codes and get it working?
Do the driver wish and IQ/nm maps work based on these maps?
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Thanks!
Now I got confused, I thought 327 were from 159s, but they don't. The 159's are the 243...And are those CF4 too?

I found another previous comment where you say the opposite, it seems there's little confusion here :
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Insignina 327 injectors are the same as 2.4 210HP injectors in terms of flow... But keep in mind Insignia uses EDC17 ECU... the calibration codes might not be compatible with EDC16.

Yes factor is 0.4 for duration map in EDC17...
So are those 327 CF4 or CF5?
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327 are Opel injectors they are mechanically the same as alfa CF4 210HP injecors... but are coded as CF5.
159 210HP injectors are 308. You need 308 or you wont be able to program the codes in your CF4 ECU.
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Totally clarified
What about the 243? I've read the whole thread, what my small brain did catch was there was light difference in flow, about 7%, being the 308s better?
Anyway, the 243 are much more commnon, they're used in 150hp 1.9 vauxhall, saab, fiat, alfa engines, so it will be mucho easier to find.
I'm searhcing for the correct ori to stole the maps from. CUrrently I have two orig files from 159, from 383773 sw, which seems to be a 200hp model (SOI maps look almost identical) and other is 380494 and is totally apart, seems to be a 210HP with 308 injectors? Mine is the 383780



http://s19.postimg.org/hj940ffgz/injectors.png


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243 is 1.9 JTDm injector... that would be a downgrade.
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Well, what kind of downgrade? Considering that the 150hp makes 37.5hp per cylinder, and the 210hp makes 42, doesn't seem to be a big difference.
I won't be fitting a GTB turbo anytime soon, I will just remap to something like 225-235hp which I think will be the safe limit of the GT2256V turbo and stock FMIC.

According to this pic, where's the magical difference? 95-100mm3 on 243 vs 105-110mm3 on 308? How much power it achieves with 10mm3 more?

https://s19.postimg.org/l0kcuvtar/308_243_213.png


It's a pity that the 327 is CF5. It's stupidlty cheap on ebay...20-30 bucks!
http://s19.postimg.org/jgf0whkwj/327.png

Is it true what I've seen, that they can be calibrated as 308s?

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Another comparison between opening times...

https://s19.postimg.org/knb1p3yfn/inj.gif

First, the 159 200hp with 213 injectors have the same duration map as my 166 185hp with 213 injectors.

Then it seems that 213 has about 3% better flow than 243?
And 308 about 7% better than 243, 3-4% better than 213?
C'mon! This is starting to be pretty interesting, I'm starting to understand and actually enjoying it!

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I've found the 5 308 injectors from a 159 for about 300.
Not bad if they work
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