Remapping the 1.9 JTDm

Havent even got the car yet and I am asking about remapping!

Certainly looks good value - I spent thousands supercharging my Sprint so no stranger to modifying engines but no experience on Diesels with ECUs.

So, in a nutshell - does it work for you?

Hell yeah!!!!!

Incredible on the dielsels!! Expect 150BHP to gain an extra 30-40BHP then another 75 miles out of every tank!!!

Red Dot giving the premio and medio members of this site 10% off all prices! I used them on my twin spark and I only gained a bit of BHP but it made a huge difference to driveability.

OA

My advice, let the car run in for at least 7 000km's..better 10 000!!!...then change the oil and remap it.

Try out celtictuning.co.uk you will get around 195 according to one of our members.

You can also fit the BMC-CDA...so 205hp are waiting for you

If you have any question don't hesitate to ask.

Originally Posted by kgb

My advice, let the car run in for at least 7 000km's..better 10 000!!!...then change the oil and remap it.

Try out celtictuning.co.uk you will get around 195 according to one of our members.

You can also fit the BMC-CDA...so 205hp are waiting for you

If you have any question don't hesitate to ask.

If you are using a stock map then running in won't make any difference.

If you tune it that highly you will also kill the clutch very very quickly. I wouldn't recommend going that high at all.

The CDA is ok, but a lot of money for noise and not much gain. more like 2-4 HP.

Actually dont expect more miles from the tank unless you alter your driving style, but do expect daft readings on the trip computer for fuel consumption as its not pulsing for the durations it thinks it is.

185 is achieveable on all the cars, more is achieveable but is optimistic.

OperationAlfa,

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Alfa Romeo uses ECU limitations on the first 7 000 or 10 000km's for their JTDs...not sure about the JTS. You can not reach maximum performance before the car reaches these km's.

Up to 7 or 10 000km's the car will consume about 1 or 2liter more of fuel and maybe about a 500gr-1liter of engine oil...that is for the JTDs. After that the car will reduce its consumption, will perform much better and won't consume any oil.

So that is one main reason, why someone should look for a remap after the first 10 000km's.

About the clutch, what can cause harm to it is the NM-torque and the Torque figures are not that high for the 1.9JTD around the 380-400NM.

My car has been remapped more then 100 000km's ago, at about 70 000km's of these the car is running at about 380-400NM and for the last 20 000km's I have the Q2 fitted to the car...So far no sign of the clutch giving away!!!...and I am waiting for it as I have the 6 speed box waiting to be installed on my car.

And I keep in mind that I have done a lot of drag racing and track days with my car.

About the BMC-CDA, I know from my car what that thing does to performance....it is far better then the stock air box.

Originally Posted by kgb

OperationAlfa,

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Alfa Romeo uses ECU limitations on the first 7 000 or 10 000km's for their JTDs...not sure about the JTS. You can not reach maximum performance before the car reaches these km's.

About the clutch, what can cause harm to it is the NM-torque and the Torque figures are not that high for the 1.9JTD around the 380-400NM.

I do not believe the ECU's are limited. That's a ridiculous statement.

So have you actually changed the clutch since the remap,? And what are you actually producing torquewise.

The alfa romeo standard airbox is fine IMO. More to the point, why are you suggesting getting a CDA on a brand new car. It will invalidate the warranty. At least the remap is pretty much undectable.

I acknowledge that you do your drag racing etc, but this is simply not just about power.

It might be worth following this thread http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/annou...ml#post1423645 (Lets have a tuning company competition)

It might be worth running your car in, until the results come in and base your decision on that..Red Dot aren't the only tuning company on the forum happy to offer a discount either

Originally Posted by Lotgrace Tradin

ed Dot aren't the only tuning company on the forum...

They aren't even on the forum.

A few things to consider:

Turbo Diesels operate in a surfeit or air, they dont need different intake systems (at least Alfa's dont as they are well engineered)(if there wasnt an excess of air the tuning proposed here wouldnt work) and also oiled filters have the capability of fouling the MAF if you are not very careful.

The only map restriction on the EDC36 I am aware of used by Alfa Romeo is the fuel restriction in first gear, never seen a running in map, although the ECU does log the mileage.

Although a remap is undetectable with most diagnostic scanners, a test drive will usually reveal it, and the ECU flash counter will have logged that the software has been flashed, although this could have been done legitiamtely by the dealer for other reasons.

On the particle filter cars I would be very wary of overfuelling shortening the lift of the DPF as lets face it, most tuned diesels with longer injection durations smoke more than standard cars and all this smoke is having to be handled by the dpf...

I am expert in the field of diesel technology, but dont do cars, but even ships use common rail piezo injectors these days to reduce pollution, but 'ye canna change the laws a physics'

And no, I have neither a tuning box nor remap in place.
And no, increasing the cetane rating of the fuel will not give a noticeable increase in performance.

If you're thinking of a remap, Angel Tuning, Red Dot or Celtic Tuning are the boyos. They all have plenty of satisfied customers here on the boards (plus a few employees masquerading as punters I suspect).

I had my JTD 16v multijet remapped by Angel just over a week ago. They know what they're doing, gave good honest advice rather than trying to flog me everything I don't need. Power increase is brilliant right through the rev range, it revs far more freely and the diesel drives more like a petrol now. The computer is saying I'm getting 3-4mpg more but I haven't gone through a full tank yet to do the proper calculations to back up the computer display.

Give all the tuning companies a bell and see what suits you. Red Dot are in Watford and have a rolling road, Celtic and Angel do a mobile service and can come to you. If there's other remaps to be done in the area, no harm in asking for a discount off any of them. All 3 have tuned hundreds of Alfa diesels and get good results coupled with better enconomy without affecting the reliability. They'll do a 14-day un-map if you're not happy with the results.

Everyone has his own head, it is up to them to decide how to break it

and NO, I have not changed my clutch it is still the factory original one...the car now is 131 000km's.

Torque wise my car is around the 380-420NM mark, soon maybe in january I will dyno test it again with few different settings.

About the ECU running in, OK just try reaching the max.speed at lets say 4 000km's and then try it again at 11 000km's...you can do the same test on a dyno stand as well, to see what bhp and NM the car produces.

You can also have a search around the forum for threads where people talk about running in their JTD and what happens when.

Another thing, the ECUs in the JTDs are self-learning...

I have seen A LOT of happy customer from AngelTuning, CelticTuning or with Lotgrace Train powerboxes...so please don't try fooling people that Red Dot is the only good company. They are also a lot of others tuners outside UK who know how to tune cars.

Finally, I am not willing to go into any arguments, BUT please stop fooling people that angel, celtic or L.T.Pbox are bad tuners!!!

Originally Posted by kgb

Another thing, the ECUs in the JTDs are self-learning...

I have seen A LOT of happy customer from AngelTuning, CelticTuning or with Lotgrace Train powerboxes...so please don't try fooling people that Red Dot is the only good company. They are also a lot of others tuners outside UK who know how to tune cars.

Finally, I am not willing to go into any arguments, BUT please stop fooling people that angel, celtic or L.T.Pbox are bad tuners!!!

I'm sorry who the hell are you reffering to. Where and when did I say Red Dot are the only good tuner....?

Yes I always recommend them as I am a previous customer.

Please feel free to quote me stating that LT, celtic or Angel are bad tuners. I'd love to read it.

I recommend red dot for reasons which are very clear.

1. I have experienced their Customer Service as have a few other people on here (paddy2bsure, Chris d, etc).

2.They were at the forefront of the development and using the millenium tuning software before anyone else. Apart from maybe AD.

3.They have a rolling road and properly check the car out beforehand to make sure the car is suitable ok to tune. You then get before and after figures so you know exactly what you get. (Big benefit for custom maps)

4.In addition I have set up a deal with them to give all our members a 10% Discount on tuning (of which their prices are still the best in the UK) and a massive 40% discount off all brakes.

I am not and categorically will not slander any other company of which I have not experienced first hand.

Don't hack me off by spreading lies please. I will not stand for it.

Thanks.

PS: I will research your info on the limitations on the ECU for the frist few thousand Miles/Kms.. However I would put that down to the engine running in and nothing to do with the ECU mapping.

OK, OK guys! This sort of behaviour is what is making me rapidly fed up of this Forum - all I want to know is what do people think of remapping - I dont really want to hear tit for tat exchanges from rival camps.

There have been some good posts for whcih I thank the posters but so many of these threads seem to degenerate into slanging matches!

As I told you, I am NOT willing to go into arguments...

Here is one:

Originally Posted by OperationAlfa

Lol! Last time I mentioned this I had a very snotty email from Nigel. [/url]

Why are you getting such emails from Nigel I don't care but all the time you are mentioning that angel map will kill the clutch and...so on...

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I DON'T WORK FOR ANGELTUNING, nor my car has been remapped by them and I have never meet, seen or talked to them!

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Once more I don't what to start any pointless arguments.

Best regards,

Petko

Originally Posted by Peter Allgood

OK, OK guys! This sort of behaviour is what is making me rapidly fed up of this Forum - all I want to know is what do people think of remapping - I dont really want to hear tit for tat exchanges from rival camps.

There have been some good posts for whcih I thank the posters but so many of these threads seem to degenerate into slanging matches!

Absolutely agree with you