159 3.2 Tuning

Thanks Pud,I am pleased to have that confirmed.

Gents,
There is a solution to the Lambda sensor problem. Wildcat Performance Exhausts in South Africa, part of the SAC Group (Tuning Company & has outlets nationwide) developed a Lambda protection & ECU "tricker" unit. You have the exhaust shop remove the Lambda, screw these babies into the Lambda opening, then you screw the Lambda's into these adaptors. It extends the Lambdas length by about 2cm. However, any ECU warnings, limp home mode problems etc are eliminated.

I obtained a set for GTAFAN in Greece as he had problems when he fitted the freeflow Supersprint system.
These are used by Glenwood Motors & I have them on my car as well.By SA perceptions they are expensive, retailing at around e50.00 each but GTAFAN thought that was a good price by European standards.

Anyway guys, you can obtain these from www.sac.co.za or ::Glenridge Motors:: - Home or if you have any hassle please don't hessitate to drop me a PM. I'm in SA from tomorrow afternoon so it will be easy for me to organise.
Ciao

This sounds very promising, did you notice any more noice inside the car?

JONNYBOY,I have installed the Supersprint cat back today.Looks great,sounds great at idle but due to the sound proofing not as loud as I would like.Perhaps there is an improvement in performance but I can't honestly tell.It doesn't "drone" but I would recommend getting the twin cats from Lambros in Australia,I can help organise it for you and he is a really decent person to deal with.That is where you will find the difference.The Supersprint system looks much better etc,but you need both,and if I had a choice of one of them it would be the twin cats every time,they are amazing.The cats improve both sound and above all performance(13KW and at least 15% more torque(well that is what I estimate as the torque wasn't tested but the power was.

Originally Posted by Kanga

JONNYBOY,I have installed the Supersprint cat back today.Looks great,sounds great at idle but due to the sound proofing not as loud as I would like.Perhaps there is an improvement in performance but I can't honestly tell.It doesn't "drone" but I would recommend getting the twin cats from Lambros in Australia,I can help organise it for you and he is a really decent person to deal with.That is where you will find the difference.The Supersprint system looks much better etc,but you need both,and if I had a choice of one of them it would be the twin cats every time,they are amazing.The cats improve both sound and above all performance(13KW and at least 15% more torque(well that is what I estimate as the torque wasn't tested but the power was.

This sounds very nice, I was first only going for the replacement of the Rear exhaust, but maybe I should go for the twin cats from Lambros as well, is this the one that Replace the OEM centre exhaust? And what is the price.

P.s if you have a pic, I would love to see the result of how the car looks with the 100 rear exhaust.

jonnyboy,the twin high flow cats replace the factory cats that are very restrictive.the center exhaust is a different section and is replaced by the supersprint straight through pipe.You need it otherwise you lose sound and performance.I tried just putting on the 2 supersprint exhausts and it was not as loud as standard,yet everything improved when I installed the center section,great sound at idle and less drone at 100kmh unless you are accelerating which is fine.The cats are about A$1400.00 or E800.00 and are the greatest improvement,although the supersprint system looks great and sounds great but as I said before the cats arec the greatest improvement.I will post a photo on the Crashwong v dpats 19"ti wheels soon .The 100ml pipes look very "slick" indeed.

Kanga, this is making me think, so you are saying that by instaling only the 2 supersprint exhaust I will loss performance?
on the SUPERSPRINT WEB SITE: WELCOME! page, they are refering to the "Front exhaust with metal Kat." part no 755032. Is this what you saying I should change as well?

I think it will take to long to get the cats over from Australia, not in time get it here by next friday 14th. (not sure if I get the car back from the garage before that anyway)

jonnyboy,you will be disappointed if you don't get the straight through section,the 2 exhausts will look good but that is all.I experimented with just the 2 exhausts and there was less sound and I thought no extra power or maybe a bit less.you need the straight through section otherwise it is a waste of time.Supersprint sell a cat,the part you referred to but it is no where near as good as the hi flow twin cats.With just the twin cats alone my car increased by 13kw! Supersprint claim only 7kw and that is with exhaust center section and 1 single high flow cat.Get the 2 exhausts and straight through section from Supersprint and the twin cats from Lambros,as I said I will help organise it from this end and make sure you get them.We have UPS in Australia it would only take 1 week to Switzerland,any you can always put them on after the Supersprint exhausts .

Kanga, thanks for your help, I will get the rear exhaust supersprint first, and get back to you on the cat after Christmas, no time to get this done this year.:xmas:

Pls let us know when you have some pic of the system, can't wait to see how it looks.

Jonnyboy, look at the Kanga's teledial and supersprint photos thread. There are pictures of the system on there.

jonnyboy, are you getting the straight through section as well as the exhausts or just the 2 exhausts?

Originally Posted by Kanga

jonnyboy, are you getting the straight through section as well as the exhausts or just the 2 exhausts?

Just going for the 2 exhaust, not sure what is the straight through section, is that the "754813 "Y" Connecting pipe" supersprint is refering to on their webpage? if yes, I might as well order it.

Originally Posted by Kanga

Jonnyboy, look at the Kanga's teledial and supersprint photos thread. There are pictures of the system on there.

Nice pics Kanga, your car looks great, love the red leather.
Is your car lowerd? looks like it, but could also be the biger wheels that is playing with me.

I have some eibach springs laying around, I am thinking of puting them on, but have not decided jet.

jonnyboy you have to order "754813" otherwise you will not get any extra performance and the sound will be a lot less.The system is designed to work with the 2 exhausts and the centrer section(754813) and it does sound very nice.My wife drove past me in my car and it sounded like a 308 Ferrari( a 1980 "s car).The car is not lowered,it has 18" wheels on it.You will need springs specifically for a159Q4 and shocks as well,the car will look better but you will lose comfort and wear the inside of your tyres out faster because the camber settings are changed when you lower the car.(you get more negative camber)

Kanga, it is done, thanks for the tip, just hope they will have the part til next tuesday.

jonnboy,let us know when the system is installed and what you think of it.

Got my supersprint exhaust on yesterday, and off course they did not have the center pipe ready….
My first reaction is that it looks great, has a nice sound on idle, but that the "drone" noise inside the car is louder than before….
I was hoping this would go away, but maybe I need the center pipe to loose that sound (did it go away when you got this on your car kanga?).
Was the money worth it? When it comes to look, yes. Sound, no, (but this can be improved once I get the rest mounted on the car.)

jonnyboy,I thought there was definitely less drone when I put just the exhausts on,(I went for a long drive ),however I did have the new cats already on.When I put the center pipe on everything improved,but there was more noise at cruising but only when I accelerated and instead of drone it was just louder,but definitley not worse as the drone was replaced by exhaust noise.The center pipe will make the car better but it will make it louder but I think in a good way.I personally wish it was louder and more like the alfa jack sound clip I told you about.If you get the cats the performance difference will really please you and make you feel it was all worthwhile,it really does transform the car;204kw vs 191kw,but the ECU will take 20 minutes of driving to adjust.Next year I will get the Autodelta remap but I will do a before and after dyno test to see if it works with the new cats and exhaust.If it does that will be 214KW an extra 23kw nearly 300hp(294hp) other than the dreadful gearbox to me the car will be nearly perfect.

Kanga, thanks for your answer, Well then I need to get the cats, I am very interested to getting the cats you have, but I am just a little concern when it comes to the Tüv, if the cats you have is Tüv approved over here, if not then I will need to go for the supersprint cat.
But I love that car, the gear box is not that good, but it feels like it will last a long time…..

jonnyboy,how would anyone find out if they were Tuv once you put them on your car,the supersprint cat is only a single cat and doesn"t give you 13KW,it is also very expensive(1500 eur).Do you have emission tests every year?Perhaps that is why the original cats are so bad ,due to euro3 emission laws and also why the SS cat doesn't make much difference.If you find out what the legal level is I could get a test here and see if my car passes and let you know or you could keep youir old cats and put them on once a year for the test,that is what I would do because the twin cats are worth the hassle of doing that once a year.Also the gearbox is strong and is about as pleasant to use as changing gear in a Mac truck,yet everything else with the car is great.I think you will get a power increase when the center section is fitted and I would not waste any money on the SS cat,you would be disappointed and a lot poorer as well.

Kanga, good point, It only cost about 80eur to change the cat at the garage, so this could be done before the emission test. I just moved to Switzerland, so I am not sure how often the emission test it, but believe it is every 2nd year. And yes the supersprint is very expensive, so better to get the one you have. But will need to wait to next year anyway. Why would the center section give more power? it is just a y bend that goes to the rear exhaust from the cats, or am I wrong?

jonnyboy,the original center section has a silencer on it as well as the pipe is not uniform in diameter and is more restrictive.When you install the SS center section you will really notice the extra noise at the rear at idle and light to medium throttle and it sounds so much stronger and better IMO,when I put just the rear exhausts on I was disappointed but when I then added the SS center section I was much relieved it really sounds great at idle and low down but not that loud after about 3500 RPM,just a lot more refined and tuneful.For me though I would prefer it to be louder from 3500 onwards.

It might be that this center section silencer is causing the "drone" noise, it do sounds like there is "air" that is not getting out fast enough.

jonnyboy,It could be,but I did find it louder with the SS center section but not in a "droney"way but a louder exhaust note.When will the SS center section arrive for you ?

kanga, I got a little ****ed on the dealer since he did not manage to get it to when I was getting it fitted on the car, so I still hafto order it, but will take it up against after new year. I have about 1600km to drive to day, looking forward to the part going through Germany...:xmas: