Fiat stilo JTD with gt2256v

[Laster]

Hello to all!

After puts a new gt2256v of origin AR 166 2.4 jtd, the following doubts arise. Is it necessary to change the sensor map? As for the bomb of diesel oil; can I adapt someone of major pressure?

The car has next mods:

1.-Fmic
2.-DP and catalyst emptinesses
3.-filter green


I upload two logs that I have done this morning, in order you see that it goes the car.

Regards

Jordi

[JS JTD]

You still have a standard 140-150 HP tune?

Raise the boost and the fuel quantity to begin with.

[yan.ko]

88mm3/i of fuel and 960mg/i of air .... AFR ~13 !!??? Little a bit smoky, isn't it??

[TribesMan]

Why are you airflow readings so low? Do you have corrupted (or dirty) MAF sensor?
Also you should raise the fuel pressure... Boost is also set low for this kind of turbo.

[Laster]

Yes it's smooky!! I don't know what happens with the MAF. I try to clean tomorrow morning.

it's the first repro with that turbo..

[yan.ko]

It's not smoky because of whatever with MAF, but because of wrong tune! No way allowing to inject such much fuel with such little amount of air.

[Laster]

I don't know.. But maybe has an air loss in the pipe of entry??

[TribesMan]

Well with 2,4bar boost he should be seeing airflow numbers between 1200+mg@2000rpm and ~1100@4000rpm, so his readings are at least 15% too low. If everything else is OK with the engine.

I guess the tuner tried to compensate for low MAF readings with very low AFR. But in any case the AFR is very low even if you take the low MAF readings into the account. The effective AFR is ~15. It must smoke like a pig.

[yan.ko]

Originally Posted by Laster

I don't know.. But maybe has an air loss in the pipe of entry??

Nope, even if your MAF get clogged, properly tuned ECU wouldn't allow you to inject such amount of fuel.

[Laster]

But yanko it's smooky.. Otherwise the car doesn't go bad completely...

The chiper says me that MAF is off.

[yan.ko]

So then it's MAP driven, but you measured these 2400mbar in intake manifold. It doesn't make a much sense, still looks like a weird tune to me.

[Laster]

Map driven??

Do you refer of that?

Bosch - MAP sensor

[yan.ko]

Yes. What Stillo exactly do you have? IMHO your stock MAP can measure upto 2500 max. You should upgrade to some wider range one (3bar or 3.5bar one).

[Laster]

Someone told me about that..

Perhaps this reference?

TMAP Sensor 100496101 For FIAT (BOSCH:0281002456), OEMNO:0281002456, Application:Toyoty, FIAT, BENZ, NISSAN

[Laster]

Originally Posted by yan.ko

Yes. What Stillo exactly do you have? IMHO your stock MAP can measure upto 2500 max. You should upgrade to some wider range one (3bar or 3.5bar one).

Sorry.. It's a Fiat Stilo JTD 115hp. Yes my MAP sensor measures 2500max.

[Laster]

map sensor ordered.. Probably this week I'll put.

[radoslavp]

Hello mate,

Just out of curiosity, what flywheel/clutch setup do you have on your car?
Standard components on the Stilo are weak enough to break even with the standard turbo and everything above 1.5 bar of boost.
IMHO this turbo is useless without first fixing the transmission.

I had to change the flywheel/clutch and the clutch pump with strengthened parts, before even going to >1.5 on the standard GT1749, because car was slipping after 3rd and flywheel was banging and vibrating as it was its last ride.

Best Regards,
Radoslav

[Vic_O_O]

Originally Posted by radoslavp

Hello mate,

Just out of curiosity, what flywheel/clutch setup do you have on your car?
Standard components on the Stilo are weak enough to break even with the standard turbo and everything above 1.5 bar of boost.
IMHO this turbo is useless without first fixing the transmission.

I had to change the flywheel/clutch and the clutch pump with strengthened parts, before even going to >1.5 on the standard GT1749, because car was slipping after 3rd and flywheel was banging and vibrating as it was its last ride.

Best Regards,
Radoslav

I think It's runing with OEM clutch/flywheel. High boost at low revs make slipping cluch but with progresive presure tuning map ( 1'4 bar @ 2000 rpm, 1'7@ 2400, 1'85bar @ 3000 rpm) I hope don't slip. Small turbo makes more torque with same boost that bigger turbo.

[Laster]

Originally Posted by Vic_O_O

I think It's runing with OEM clutch/flywheel. High boost at low revs make slipping cluch but with progresive presure tuning map ( 1'4 bar @ 2000 rpm, 1'7@ 2400, 1'85bar @ 3000 rpm) I hope don't slip. Small turbo makes more torque with same boost that bigger turbo.

Correct!!

I have one doubt, it's about the sensor map.. what car (stock) works with it?

thx

Jordi

[Laster]

Hi!!!

I found the stock map sensor.. It's 0281002844 but I did not found the specs... Does anyone can help me???

THx!!!

[Laster]

Hi again!!

I have a problem... My sensor is 0281002510. I orderer and bought the 0281002456 but it doesn't match...

What sensor I have to buy?

Please help me

[Laster]

Put it!!! Now the car goes faster...

Thx yan.ko for your help!!

[Laster]

Hi friends!!

I still with problems with the MAF. I paste one of the last logs..

Any help??

Thx

Jordi

[yan.ko]

Jordi, are you sure you have not leakage somewhere on air hose after MAF and just before turbo?

Send me your original and modded file if you can. I'll check it out.

[Laster]

Originally Posted by yan.ko

Jordi, are you sure you have not leakage somewhere on air hose after MAF and just before turbo?

Send me your original and modded file if you can. I'll check it out.

I don't know but I'll check it today.

Thx