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Old 21-05-2008   #1 (Post Link)
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Exhaust systems - What you need to Know

Following on from my basic 'What you need to know about' Induction kits I thought I shed alittle light on the minefield that is the World of Exhaust systems - Like I said before this is just what I know and what I have learnt.

Exhaust systems

Before I go into a tuned exhaust system its important to understand a few things. Why do cars have exhaust systems? Well . . . there is a number of reasons that have changed over the years, the first reason is to get exhaust gases out of the cyclinder and away from the induction system so that dirty air or exhausts don't re-enter the system. But why dont cars have exhausts like aircraft engines - short? The simple reason is that aircraft 'prop' engines spend most of their time at a fixed rmp normally quite high, the same as say drag cars, where low rmp performance isnt important but a road car need to perform well across the whole rmp range and a exhaust system helps add torque to the engine using 'back pressure.

If you want to learn more about exhaust back pressure read here

One last thing before we start the good bits is it is also important to understand all cars from sub £6,000 to £100,000+ cars are all built to a) a budget, b) Noise regulations and c) Emission controlled tests so a manufactor could build a better exhaust for performance but might fail a noise test or might push the budget up and out cost the car to a rival car.

Ok now on to tuning

Back Boxes

On all cars the first and only part of the exhaust you will see unless you open the bonnet is the back box or just the tailpipes. Its only really been over the last 10yrs or so that manufacturers have added style to their tailpipes before they would just have been a pee shooter that exited out under the bumper. But now your be hard pressed to find a car without a shinny tailpipe. As for improving performance because most of the restrictions in a exhaust system are more to do with either a manifold or cat and middle box the final box is just to reduce noise.

By changing to a sports or custom back box you may free a pony or two but it will be more for looks and sound rather than performance.

Custom Jap style can can be had for as little as £30, branded sports backboxes will set you back more like £100+






Centre boxes/Full Sports systems and Single Box systems

This is where the next best option to tuned exhaust are found. Sports exhausts use more free flowing boxes increasing gas flow and adding a sportier tone to the exhaust system. Good exhaust can free upto 5bhp and more on some cars and make the car more free reving as your are increasing the cars breathing.



Some people will say for best results for for a single box system which removes the centre box from the system, and athough this might add a few more ponies you push the torque further up the rev range. It basically works like this:

Twin box system = low to mid range power gain
Single box system = mid to high range power gain

On sub 250bhp cars I would say it wouldn't make much difference but on a 300 na engine or turbo charged engine its different.




Sports Cats

These again have only really appeared over the last 5-10yrs as cats have become a legal requirement to pass a MoT. Sports cats have less cells which allow better gas flow but still removing harmful elements from the exhaust gases. These are quite expensive and on a sub 150bhp engine I wouldn't bother as the cost out weighs the gain.



Now some people will advise you to run cat less using a decat or cat bypass pipe as people say cars performed better before cats. Now that is a fair point but its important to remember that cats where just added to early pre cat engines but these days engines and ecu's are tuned to run WITH the car. I have read about Civic Type R's running better with their cats than without. Dont forget that your need to replace the cat to pass a MoT




Manifolds

In old school tuning one of the best ways of increasing performance was to change your exhaust manifold to a 4branch design in either a 4-2-1 or 4-1 layout. This basically means 4pipes (one per cycinder) then in to two then into one which enters the start of the exhaust system. Some cars will still have a cast iron two part or even three part manifold which is very restrictive. The best pound for pound bhp gains are to be found here, If you can change your manifold. If you already have a 4-2-1 then I wouldn't bother looking to change it. I personally was very happy and suprised to see a 4-2-1 on my TwinSpark 156.



In real terms the best setup for a car without spending a fortune is just a exhaust system that replaces the cat back metal work. If you go for a Jap style or large bore back box which doesnt have many baffles ie you can see straight through then be prepared to lose abit of back pressure and low down torque if you go for a single box setup with that style of back box.
Single box systems car be great fun around town and on B-road drives but on motorways they can tend to boom alittle - Stainless steel also has a habit of resonating where as mild steel wont.

If you can't find a system for your car there is nothing stopping you having a custom system build by a custom exhaust shop, and custom doesnt mean a baked bean can like on Corsa's or Saxos, custom means you get what you want where want and how your want it to look.

Like I said I'm not a expert but I've heard enough and read enough to know the basics and asked the questions myself - hope this helps.

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Re: Exhaust systems - What you need to Know

Cool, certainly does help cheers. Can you please give a bit more explanation of "two part or three part" in terms of a non 4-2-1 manifold?
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Ta very much. A good informative read
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Cool, certainly does help cheers. Can you please give a bit more explanation of "two part or three part" in terms of a non 4-2-1 manifold?
Ok so when a manifold is not a single unit like a 4branch 4-2-1 or 4-1 some manufactors use a cast iron construction manifold which can come in either two or three parts.

The first part directly bolts to the head and and is basically a 90' angle the directs all 4exits from the head in the next part which normally 'L' shaped which joins the top half of the manifold which is connected to the head the other end joins either the begin of the exhaust system of the cat.

As you can see from the attached image the above is a cast iron unit which just pipes joining pipes which is bad for gas flow, where as the stainless steel tubular (as they are otherwise called) has pipes joining at ruffly the same points which aids gas flow.



Manifold designs are alot more complicated than just getting all the pipes from the head to join with the exhaust system. Big power gains can be seen from a change of manifold.
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Im gonna check out my manifold, see if i can get a picture for you to diagnose....
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Re: Exhaust systems - What you need to Know

On a 4 cylinder engine a 4-1 manifold is best for peak power but a 4-2-1 gives a better spread of torque but sacrifices some top end power.

I am pretty sure this applies no matter how many cylinders you have. For example splitting the straight 6 manifold ab0ve into 3 branches of 3 will give more torque but less top end power than a 6-1
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Are there business's out there that make a custom manifold if asked?
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Are there business's out there that make a custom manifold if asked?
Yes but it would cost an awfull lot of wonger. Now my 156 has a 4-2-1 and I wouldn't mind betting yours has a 4-2-1.

I removed my manifold heat shield to paint and found the 4-2-1 so the heat shield stay'd off I love the look of 4branch manifolds

Id look at the rest of the system first to see what you can improve before you start looking into manifolds. You might be supprised at how well a free flowing exhaust and induction upgrade will reward you with.

Here is another example of factory over aftermarket. Look at this picture from my cast iron 2.3 Volvo 740, see how badly designed it is and imagin how poorly the gases flow.



Now look at my 16v Saxo VTS with its 4-2-1 manifold.



Your notice the heat wrap which is another topic altogether
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Turbo cars often have cast manifolds from the factory.

There are a couple of reasons for this.

A cast manifold is stronger and is better able to support the addtional weight of the turbo, especially when hot. Turbo manifolds can glow red hot after hard use.

A cast manifold gives a small amount of back pressure. This back pressure increases the speed of the exhaust gases leaving the manifold, which in turn makes the turbo spool up at lower RPM's.

Fitting a tubular manifold to a turbo will increse top end power whilst increasing the boost threshold, which basically means the turbo won't spool up until higher RPM.

Tha manifold and the actual blades of the turbo are the most restrictive parts on a turbo exhaust system.



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Nice post dude.
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Excellent post.
This might be a stupid question but here goes.
Does the science behind the exhuast system differ in any way for diesel engines versus petrol engines - with respect to extracting more power ?
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Hmmm interesting one, I've never really looked into diesel engine but I dont see why not, its basically the same engine. A freeflowing exhaust system should increase bhp in a diesel, only thing will be the noise.

Most of the noise from a diesel normally comes from the front (noisy engine) and not having heard a diesel with a sports exhaust I couldn't comment on what it would sound like.
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Hmmm interesting one, I've never really looked into diesel engine but I dont see why not, its basically the same engine. A freeflowing exhaust system should increase bhp in a diesel, only thing will be the noise.

Most of the noise from a diesel normally comes from the front (noisy engine) and not having heard a diesel with a sports exhaust I couldn't comment on what it would sound like.
Its hard to make a noisy exhaust on a diesel. Even without a cat and centre silencer, it won't be much noisier than your typical backbox-only petrol noise. This is because the turbo smooths out the airflow, less 'waves' to make the sound in the exhaust.

Even without a backbox its not massively loud - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDl4S0B_JlE
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I've heard from various modifiers over here that putting an aftermarket back box on a diesel can decrease the performance..

I can't remember why, I'll try find out and post it up if i do
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Excellent post.
This might be a stupid question but here goes.
Does the science behind the exhuast system differ in any way for diesel engines versus petrol engines - with respect to extracting more power ?
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Not so much diesel vs petrol, as N/A vs turbo. A turbo should see significant power gains with a free flowing exhaust, providing the fuelling is tweaked to cope with it.
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Turbo cars often have cast manifolds from the factory.

There are a couple of reasons for this.

A cast manifold is stronger and is better able to support the addtional weight of the turbo, especially when hot. Turbo manifolds can glow red hot after hard use.

A cast manifold gives a small amount of back pressure. This back pressure increases the speed of the exhaust gases leaving the manifold, which in turn makes the turbo spool up at lower RPM's.

Fitting a tubular manifold to a turbo will increse top end power whilst increasing the boost threshold, which basically means the turbo won't spool up until higher RPM.

Tha manifold and the actual blades of the turbo are the most restrictive parts on a turbo exhaust system.

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Hmmm, not sure about that.... you don't want any pressure loss between the exhaust ports and the turbo inlet, as that's just turning pressure into heat and wasting energy. It should be the turbo itself that's the most restrictive part, but using smooth passageways to minimise losses, ie convert pressure to velocity without wasting energy.
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Interesting link, as I've always understood, you don't want back pressure, you actually want flow velocity. Just so happens that smaller exhaust pipes which tend to have higher flow velocities also tend to have higher back pressure. Or to look at it another way; if you put a 1" pipe downstream of your exhaust manifold, you'd get a lot more power than if you put a plate over the end with a 1" hole in it...
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Hmmm, not sure about that.... you don't want any pressure loss between the exhaust ports and the turbo inlet, as that's just turning pressure into heat and wasting energy. It should be the turbo itself that's the most restrictive part, but using smooth passageways to minimise losses, ie convert pressure to velocity without wasting energy.
The ones I have seen, most notably the one on the Fiat 20VT and Nissan 200sx, seem to have very small outlets where they join onto the turbo. On the Nissan 3 out of the 4 cylinders were joined together and the outlet size was only about 2 square inches in size. The other 1 cylinder had the other half of the manifold flange at around another 2 square inches.

Obviously it has to be quite small to fit the turbo flange, but I can't help but think it is there to increase gas speed through the tubo and to increase low rev spool-up.

I might be totally wrong though.
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Id look at the rest of the system first to see what you can improve before you start looking into manifolds. You might be supprised at how well a free flowing exhaust and induction upgrade will reward you with.
Already got a cat back and bmc air filter, how many ponies do you reckon ive released?
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