425 BHP Alfa Romeo 156

Awesome, good luck with the racing.

Would it be wrong to have a semi right now?

god i wanna hear that thing

Originally Posted by GTAowner

god i wanna hear that thing

Unfortunately, i don't have any sound clips. What i can tell you though is that it sounds like a track car.....loud and awesome

I saw that front spoiler on a silver car at the Spring alfa day on Sunday and I didn't really like it if I'm honest.

Originally Posted by DavidCane

If I ever manage to build a Stratos replica, it's having THAT engine.

If you do, the intakes will be through the top of the rear cover and by the time you have any kind of air box fitted, you wil have no rear vision at all.

And that's just too much engine for a Stratos - you'll die in it!

Originally Posted by mudhut

If you do, the intakes will be through the top of the rear cover and by the time you have any kind of air box fitted, you wil have no rear vision at all.

And that's just too much engine for a Stratos - you'll die in it!

But what a spectacular way to go I a hail of tyre smoke Alfa V6 sound

Originally Posted by Damien_C

gear in it forged pistons pauter rods and more.

I heard pauter rods weren't that good...

Originally Posted by Damien_C

It should be able to be driven to the redline all day long with out a problem.

Most highly tuned, stressed out motors require a rebuild afterwards tho

but then, 73 bhp from 633 cc isn't alot anyway (3800cc divided by 6)

What i don't understand is why can't you get 50bhp from 500cc? Ie 300bhp from a 3ltr (that seems to be the general concensuss in the Alfa world )

I have no doubt that Dawie is a clever bloke, but 3.8 is BIG motor, anyone could expect that sort of power output....

Originally Posted by alfaspence

I heard pauter rods weren't that good...



Most highly tuned, stressed out motors require a rebuild afterwards tho

but then, 73 bhp from 633 cc isn't alot anyway (3800cc divided by 6)

What i don't understand is why can't you get 50bhp from 500cc? Ie 300bhp from a 3ltr (that seems to be the general concensuss in the Alfa world )

I have no doubt that Dawie is a clever bloke, but 3.8 is BIG motor, anyone could expect that sort of power output....

Dawie has been experimenting for years with different conrods. First he used the BMW M3 conrods and now Pauter. As far as i know, he has built 3 full race engines......one for the USA, UK and our one. He's never had any failure with one of them. If Pauter conrods are good enough to handle the power from turbo cars, then it's more than adequate for NA cars

Lekker bru... keep posting more and videos asseblief!!. The car is already my screensaver...

Thanks bud, i will get someone to do a video clip.
Keep your fingers crossed........the 156 will be taking on the might of the CLK63 (Chipped and remapped ECU, speed limiter removed) tonight.

Originally Posted by Rush

Thanks bud, i will get someone to do a video clip.
Keep your fingers crossed........the 156 will be taking on the might of the CLK63 (Chipped and remapped ECU, speed limiter removed) tonight.

eeii nahh! Hope it's in CT at sea level, not Jozi, the air's too thin in Jozi.... and chuck some toluene in the tank... and remap for extra kilowatts...

Now i'm really itching... videos bru.. please.. i want to see the AMG get wasted by an Alfa.. what a pleasure..

Originally Posted by Rush

Dawie has been experimenting for years with different conrods. First he used the BMW M3 conrods and now Pauter. As far as i know, he has built 3 full race engines......one for the USA, UK and our one. He's never had any failure with one of them. If Pauter conrods are good enough to handle the power from turbo cars, then it's more than adequate for NA cars

Its what i heard, thats all, i wasn't desputing anything else! Apparently theres more than just 3 of his engines in the world 3.7 or 3.8... (talk to other Alfa specialists in U.k, its them who told me what iam telling you here about reliability issues)

Its compression and stretching the rods have to cope with, not as the ricer age tuners call "power" (ie this fuel pump is adequate for 500bhp? what kind of descriptive statement do you call that tosh so what happens if the engine is 16ltr making 500bhp?)

Remember, iam not desputing the car here, it IS awsome, but the engine bay is a mess and 440 bhp is NOT alot bearing in mind the engine is nearly a 4 LITRE therefore it doesn't really impress
Rant over

Spence - when you put it like that a bog standard E46 M3 has nearly as much BHP/litre as this engine..

I wonder at what rpm this car achieves 440bhp though.. And on what type of fuel? Normal 95 RON?

Originally Posted by Pud237

Spence - when you put it like that a bog standard E46 M3 has nearly as much BHP/litre as this engine..

My point exactly! and what would the power output of the beemer be if you fettled it like dawie has the Alfa
You can see what iam digging at And NO iam NOT pro BMW

Originally Posted by Pud237

I wonder at what rpm this car achieves 440bhp though.. And on what type of fuel? Normal 95 RON?

On T/b's? Quite high i would imagine.... and looking at the specs, only a fool would attempt less than 95 RON (it would detonate for sure)

Originally Posted by Stephen Manjai

eeii nahh! Hope it's in CT at sea level, not Jozi, the air's too thin in Jozi.... and chuck some toluene in the tank... and remap for extra kilowatts...

Now i'm really itching... videos bru.. please.. i want to see the AMG get wasted by an Alfa.. what a pleasure..

Fortunately we are in CT.........NA cars simply love the air at the coast . The 156 can only run on 102 racing fuel or AFGAS. We run on AFGAS only.
It's a tall order taking on a stock CLK63, let alone a modified one.
Figures for a stock CLK63 is 354KW and 630NM. The one we're taking on does quite a bit more. The one thing that concerns me is that the car cuts out at 8000rpm in 6th gear with 17" wheels. We asked the guys that did the mapping to push the limiter up by another 500rpm.
They had a chat to Gotech about this. For some odd reason when you set it on the computer, it won't increase on the ECU. We need to find a solution to this.

Does the E46 M3 engine not already have individual throttles though.. I have a feeling it does. And it'll already top 8K rpm as standard..

So I think they are pretty equally matched, there won't be a lot of fettling possible on the M3 engine as it is mostly a race engine from the factory.

Variable valve timing would be the next step to get the performance up on an engine like this, but it would be far to expensive to design and retrofit a system to make this possible.

Originally Posted by Pud237

there won't be a lot of fettling possible on the M3 engine as it is mostly a race engine from the factory.

you say that but what about the McLaren SLR? Someone came along and hiked the power up quite a bit on what was allready a near race spec engine

AFGAS? 102 Ron? what class does this run in then
440 on that fuel, and that dissplacement is poor then

Originally Posted by alfaspence

I heard pauter rods weren't that good...



Most highly tuned, stressed out motors require a rebuild afterwards tho

but then, 73 bhp from 633 cc isn't alot anyway (3800cc divided by 6)

What i don't understand is why can't you get 50bhp from 500cc? Ie 300bhp from a 3ltr (that seems to be the general concensuss in the Alfa world )

I have no doubt that Dawie is a clever bloke, but 3.8 is BIG motor, anyone could expect that sort of power output....

Never heard that Pauter rods wheren't good Lot of the Japanse car drivers over here use them and in Sweden for 700bhp+ turbo cars. So as was said I would imagine 440bhp should be fine for them.

Engines blowing generally relate to some form of bad mapping asumming the engine was built correctly.

But either way we are both clutching at straws as I personally have never seen their work in real life but 440bhp is interesting but I would imagine the torque figure is good on the engine with it being so big should be more than 300lb/ft

Originally Posted by alfaspence

Its what i heard, thats all, i wasn't desputing anything else! Apparently theres more than just 3 of his engines in the world 3.7 or 3.8... (talk to other Alfa specialists in U.k, its them who told me what iam telling you here about reliability issues)

Its compression and stretching the rods have to cope with, not as the ricer age tuners call "power" (ie this fuel pump is adequate for 500bhp? what kind of descriptive statement do you call that tosh so what happens if the engine is 16ltr making 500bhp?)

Remember, iam not desputing the car here, it IS awsome, but the engine bay is a mess and 440 bhp is NOT alot bearing in mind the engine is nearly a 4 LITRE therefore it doesn't really impress
Rant over

:shame:

Not to start politics or anything like that...... but, why can't people just be happy for another Alfisti with a seriously wicked ride. Guess we are all entitled to our opinions. No offense meant whatsoever...

Irrespective of any comments posted, i'm impressed with Rush's car and aspire to have a Glenwood motor too. My GTA only makes 250bhp...

I'm humbled...