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Old 06-02-2008   #1 (Post Link)
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Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

I'm wanting to put the GTA 330mm brakes on my car. The current 284mm brakes aren't really up to the job, even with the performance pads and discs I have on at the moment.

I already have the GTA Tele's, can anyone confirm that even without the extra track width compared to a real GTA that the brake calipers will not foul on the wheels?

Is there anywhere that sells everything necessary as a kit?

If not, what do I need, and is it much of a job to do the conversion?

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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

I think you can buy direct from Alfa for about 700 pounds for discs, calipers, pads, hoses and mounting brackets.
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

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I think you can buy direct from Alfa for about 700 pounds for discs, calipers, pads, hoses and mounting brackets.
Thats a really good price, but I will only be buying the calipers, hoses and mounting brackets, discs and pads will be something special
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

There are a set of 330mm calipers on ebay but expensive at £550 for just the calipers and brackets.

But I guess the bracket will need to be custom made to fit to the standard upright and not a GTA upright

Pinched these part numbers and prices from another forum (2006 prices)

330mm discs - 51733051 - £80 each
new LH caliper - 735363886 - £220
new RH caliper - 735363887 - £220
pad set - 77362692 - £72
new LH front hose - 60693782 - £6
new RH front hose - 60693783 - £6

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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Cheers for that..

Are the rear brakes on the V6 the same as the rear brakes on the GTA then?
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

I think Peter K did this conversion.. Are you around buddy?
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

The GTA uses the later 156 bigger rear disc (276mm) but if you dont have this it would appear that you dont really need big discs on the rear anyway.
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

in 2002 all 156's gained the same rear brake setup as the GTA.

Peter K is no longer on the forum Pud.

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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Red Dot do a complete 330mm Brmebo kit for the 156 for £1100. That's everything in and they fit behind the 17"GTA wheels. I enquired when pricing parts for my brake overhaul. I asked if I needed new front uprights and was told no. All you need to fit these brakes to a 156 is included in the kit. And so it should........ At that price!!
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We get 40% off Brakes at red dot.. I wonder if this is included... Hmmmm
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

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Red Dot do a complete 330mm Brembo kit for the 156 for £1100.
I wonder if we can get 40% off with our AO discount?
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Im not sure if that was the 40% prices or not. All the other prices he quoted me were with the 40% discount taken into account.

Surely that's £1100 before the discount?
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Just spoke to them. They can do this for our club members for just under a grand. Includes fitting etc....

The 40% discount applies to Red Dot's own pads and discs.

They order the brembos direct.

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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Pud, its not a simple case of buying some GTA calipers and fitting them:

This is my own opinion, I’m sure other people here will have differing views.

There are several options, the first and most obvious choice would be to fit GTA 4 pot calipers. This is not as simple as it sounds.

Your standard barking set up on a 156 has a single piston, sliding caliper and a 284mm ventilated disc. The caliper is bolted to a hanger which is then bolted to the hub carrier. The mounting holes in the hub carrier are spaced differently to the GTA calipers and are incompatible as a result. I.E. you cannot fit GTA calipers to a standard 156 upright. Dimension comparison below:


Horizontal dimentions - i.e. not slope dims.



Viewed from the top

Dims measured from wheel mounting face.



Viewed from the bottom (lower arm...)



There is a thread here about the specific differences between a 156 upright and a GTA upright:

http://forum.alfa156.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31195&KW= comparison

I am not saying its impossible to fit GTA calipers to a standard upright, people have done it, most notably PJD30, all I am saying is its not easy and requires fabrication of a mounting bracket which is not ideal on a track car IMHO as its unproven in terms of strength and thermal affects.

Soooo as far as I’m concerned if you want to fit GTA brakes to a V6 you will need the GTA uprights. When costing these up I would advise you to consider the additional costs involved. You will need to remove the hubs from the uprights as they’re different and fit the V6 hubs into the GTA uprights, requiring new wheel bearings. Additionally the ABS sensor wiring on a GTA will be different to your cars wiring loom and you will need to either replace the sensor or bodge the connector like I have.

Once you have fitted the GTA uprights to your car you have a choice of 2 set ups; 305mm discs or 330mm discs. Alfa upgraded the brakes on GTA’s after production halted Nov 2003 and restarted 2004. The reason being was the 305mm brakes were warping under heavy use. Alfa raided the parts bin and started fitting larger 330mm discs with bigger calipers, allegedly off the rear of a F360. The 305mm calipers are lug mounted and the 330’s are radially mounted.

If I was going down the route of fabricating a bracket to mount the GTA brakes to a standard upright I would start with a radially mounted 330mm caliper complete with bracket and work from there. The problem is 99.9% of the GTA brakes that you see for sale on E-bay are the 305mm brakes. 330’s are a bit like chicken lips to find 2nd hand.

305’s and 330’s side by side:



Fitment isn’t easy for any 4 pot caliper in terms wheels. 17’s are essential for the 330s and even then there are clearance issues with both wheel diameter and wheel spokes. 305’s are better but spacers may still be required to avoid the wheel spokes fouling the brake caliper.

Another option and possibly cheaper is the Brembo granturismo kit. This is an aftermarket kit developed by brembo specifically for 156’s (not GTA’s). they use the 305mm disc but they bolt onto a standard 156 upright. This is the plug and play option. Tim has this setup on his 156. Beyond this I can’t tell you a great deal.

As does a forum member here called Prizam. I know he is looking to get rid of 156 so it may be worth your while contacting him and seeing if he would consider selling them to you.

Beyond this you’re looking at kits from autodelta etc. HamishMoo had a custom set up on his monster, it might be worth your while chatting to him too.

In terms of cost, 305 calipers go for 150 – 200, complete 330mm setups are worth around 450 – 500 (They’re 600ish new from Alfa) GTA uprights are worth around 150 a pair. I don’t know what Brembo kits are worth, I would be inclined to say around the 600 mark.

So gimmie more or nothin at all.
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

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I already have the GTA Tele's, can anyone confirm that even without the extra track width compared to a real GTA that the brake calipers will not foul on the wheels?


If not, what do I need, and is it much of a job to do the conversion?

Yes and yes.
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Another option and possibly cheaper is the Brembo granturismo kit. This is an aftermarket kit developed by brembo specifically for 156’s (not GTA’s). they use the 305mm disc but they bolt onto a standard 156 upright.
Great Post Chris.

I believe this is the kit that Red Dot use.
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

I've heard that some unusual kits have made their appearance here in Greece. They consist of the 330mm disc with the 305mm caliper with custom-made brackets to bolt on the standard TS upright. Allegedly the fact that the caliper ends up further away from the hub than with the 305mm disc gives some more space to make a mounting bracket between the caliper and hub carrier's lugs which is impossible with the 305mm discs.
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Re: Brake conversion 284mm -> 330mm

Wow Chris, thanks for that. Great detail.. So its not half as simple as it sounds then.. As is always the case

I might have to enquire at Red Dot. I wonder if their 4-pot calipers are in fact 330mm Brembos as found on the later GTAs or something different, and I wonder how they get them to fit without changing the uprights?
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Great Post Chris.

I believe this is the kit that Red Dot use.
It is. I think wrinxy found the complete kit (305's) for sale somewhere for around 800.
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Wow Chris, thanks for that. Great detail.. So its not half as simple as it sounds then.. As is always the case

I might have to enquire at Red Dot. I wonder if their 4-pot calipers are in fact 330mm Brembos as found on the later GTAs or something different, and I wonder how they get them to fit without changing the uprights?
The BREMBO GRANTURISMO KIT and the RED DOT kit are radially mounted. They WILL fit the standard upright. I'm 99.9% sure they are not the radially mounted 330 calipers.

To the best of my knowledge they only use the 305mm discs. I think these are standard GTA items.
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It is. I think wrinxy found the complete kit (305's) for sale somewhere for around 800.
Then under a grand including fitting seems about reasonable then..
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