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#1 ·
My new project arrived lastnight.

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Anyone want to buy an Alfasud?
 
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Initial survey of the rust is that the top is not bad but the bottom is very rotten - Flintstones car. There is almost nothing holding the drivers 'a' post to the cill, when you open the door the post can be wiggled. The rest should be straighforward bu time consuming. I will also need a proper engine and some front seats, think the current engine might be from a s3/s4 Spider.

I budget about 2 years and £lots - so seriously anyone after a nice Alfasud?
 
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Right now as I would avoid having to get a lock up from the council for the winter I would want £3k, no haggling. I was planning to advertise after Christmas at that price. If it didn't sell then, it would stay in hibernation until the summer when I would use it again for a while and then attempt to sell again after National Alfa day for about £3.5k.

I've had it over 20 years so not keen to sell really, but daft having 2 summer use only cars.
 
#19 ·
Work has finally started properly, the Alfasud going has given me the focus I needed to get this project moving.

The car is 90% stripped to a rolling shell and my first batch of new panels have arrived. I'm starting at the back at working forwards.

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The sharped eyed might spotted the colied air lines hanging down each side of the car:cool:
 
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Good luck with this one, Richard. Looks like a lot of tin-moth to eradicate, :eek:.

And as for comments such as this.....
....Lesley and David in sunny Algarve :D
I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that that deserves an instant infraction, :tut:. Where's Fast Frank when you need him? :D
 
#25 ·
Chequered history

Hello Richard

I can give you a bit of history on your car. I first encountered it in about 1990 when it belonged to a nightclub owner in Edinburgh who told me he had bought it in Kent. It was yellow ochre at the time and appeared to still wear its factory paint. It had probably had some front end damage as it was wearing a late 1600 GT Junior front bumper and either a damaged step front grille heart or one from a later Alfa. At that time the car had an engine rebuild (it still had a 1300 engine fitted although there were a couple of odd mysteries with that - e.g. non-original piston rings) and probably a gearbox rebuild too. It also had a bare metal respray in red. I've attached a photo of it probably taken in 1990. Not long after that it was hit on a door (I think driver's). I don't recall whether I knew how it was repaired - this was at the time that it was virtually impossible to get original Alfa panels and before the proper reproduction panels became available - so it was probably repaired by panel-beating and filling. Next time I encountered the car was mid 1990s. I get a bit vague now so I may separate one thing into two or vice versa. Anyway, as I understood the owner wanted the engine replaced - I can't recall why, but there was an issue - perhaps run on too little oil. An engine was built out of a 75 1.8 twin cam unit using a re-polished 105 series 1750 crankshaft (and I think new pistons and liners) and new bearings etc. I think the car went back on the road after that. I've no idea how it went but I would expect a 75 1.8 engine (basically a 105 series 1750 engine with a more advanced approach to inlet manifold and cylinder head) to be a significant improvement on a 1300. Anyway, next I heard was that the car had come to grief (can't recall whether mechanical or accident) and while being recovered on a transporter it fell off the transporter and suffered some kind of damage. It wound up languishing outside for years - as I understand due to no communication being received from the owner as to what to do with it. Eventually it was acquired, along with the owner's half rebuilt 2600 Spider, by an Alfa specialist in England, which is where I presume you acquired it. The 2600 Spider went further south where it had some work done to it and missing parts acquired to make it more complete before being put up for sale on ebay.

It is perhaps ironic that the attached photo was taken of the car in Fife given that's where it seems to have ended up! Good luck with the rebuild - I hope it still has the potential to become a really good example. If it does work well (and to my mind it should in theory) I'd be inclined to stick with the engine that's in it - though I presume it may have been robbed of it's carbs at some time (for a 75 1.8 they should be Dellorto twin 40s with a solenoid on the end of the butterfly spindle on the front carb).

PS In spite of its history I bet your car has outlived the van in the background...

Good luck

Brian
 

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Hi Brian,

That is brillaint to learn all that information. I did get the previous owner info from DVLA and I got the orignal build spec from Alfa Romeo Centro Documentazione. I learnt the car was originally Hawthorn White and from the DVLA records it became Yellow Ochre witihn it's first 5 years, colour change done by the first owner. The second owner had the same surname and lived in the same town as the first and she aquired the car on 1981.

Third owner was the chap you referred to in Edinburgh. I learnt the story about how it came to be down in London but had no idea why it stood around so long at Mclennan's in Loanhead.

I have obtained an early 1750 engine within cannister type oil filter but of unknown condition. I want to keep the engine bay looking authentic but want a bit more poke than a 1300 would give me. So that is quite interesting that I could maybe use some of the internals of the current 75 engine to rebuild it.

I haven't found any indications of accident damage anywhere and the only previous body work I can see are some patches to the rear foot wells, all the rest looks original - if a tad rusty. Also not certain about the baremetal respray, I think I can see white, yellow and two seperate layers of red paint on it. Eventually that will all be removed and the car will be painted in the original white.

The car was stripped of quite a few parts by Classic Alfa before they changed their minds and decided to sell it as a restoration project. Some I have got, others I still need. I believe you might be someone I should be talking to about 105 series parts?

Regards,

Richard.
 
#31 ·
Richard - I'll have a spare used steering idler box and am pretty sure I have both used and new voltage regulators somewhere in the cellar. By metal battery tray I presume you mean the part welded to the inner wing. I don't recall ever removing one of these before sending the shell for scrap but until I look you never know! I have several plastic battery trays.

Stesco G66 - again it's been a while but I broke dozens of Suds, Sprints and 33s in the '90s. Most of the parts have long gone but not everything. Again, give me an idea of what you might be looking for.
 
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^^ Anything at all really. Have been doing some hunter gathering and amassing parts. The bits that pop out the side of the plastic 'bathtub' under the bonnet spring to mind, as does the wee rubber grommet that holds the ddrain tube in the rear wheelarch. May also be tempted by a black dashboard in truth. But anything at all really . . . . Front shox are the main thing at the moment but that is perhaps a tall order . . . .
 
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