The Inconvenient Truth of The Great Global Warming Scandal

Originally Posted by vamos

That is actually not known. The historical temperature record only goes back a couple of hundred odd years, and is constanly being revised and argued over, and generally shown to be fairly inaccurate. Any further back than that and we are talking proxies - and that is such a wild can of worms that its not even worth arguing about. So we don't really know a) what the current rate of temperature change is, and b) if it has in the past been as high or not.

The whole concept of 'tipping points' (no return) is a an unproven theory that does not have a lot of supporters even in the AGW proponent camp. So let's not have all this 'we are all doomed' talk just yet, eh?

We all have our own opinion on this, and naturally side with arguments that back our own prejudices up.

I've seen enough science on both sides of the argument to have come to my opinion on this, and as I've always said, a motoring forum is about as bad a place as any to discuss this issue. Way, way to many people with vested interests in keeping their cars

Originally Posted by 156Chris

HST, I knew you couldn't help getting drawn back into this debate with us "petrol heads"!!!

I'll take the petrolhead test with ANY of you, I just can't stand seeing an issue 'debated' so one sidedly

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

We all have our own opinion on this, and naturally side with arguments that back our own prejudices up.

I've seen enough science on both sides of the argument to have come to my opinion on this, and as I've always said, a motoring forum is about as bad a place as any to discuss this issue. Way, way to many people with vested interests in keeping their cars

See there is a contradiction right there - if you have truly seen the science on both sides, than you could not possibly make the statement that 'Climate change is occuring, it's occuring faster than it has done at any point in recorded history, and that is completely undeniable'.

Saying that you understand the science does not make it so, there just is not enough data to back your statement up. BTW I am agnostic on AGW and have no vested interest in denying it.

Back on topic - The Great.... Swindle is a populist piece of twaddle which is about as close to presenting the science of climate change as that other piece of propaganda An Inconvenient Truth. Both are shallow and full of inaccuracies, and politically motivated, and do not help to further the debate, or to present it to the non-expert audience.

I remember watching one program that discussed how they measure temperature, there are 2 ways that are in common use

1. Using ground based thermometers
2. Using Satalites

The ground based thermometers used are only present in the western world (i.e. America + Europe) and are showing an increase in temperature, the Satalites by there nature measure the temperature across the whole globe and are actually showing a decrease in overall temperature (obviously some parts of the world are getting hotter and some are getting cooler) ...

so depending upon which side of the argument you are sitting you can quote statistics all day long proving your respective point ...

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

Climate change is occuring, i't soccuring faster than it has done at any point in recorded history, and that is completely undeniable.

Who or what is to blame is kind of irrelevant, because pretty soon we'll be past the point of no return.

Exactly, recorded history (a very small time) I'm sure i read somewhere that if the earths life is the equivalent to a 24 hr period then man has been around for about 7 seconds!!!! Not to say that its never happened. There is a little known fact that in our history (i believe about half a million years ago if memory serves) it was on average 15 degrees centigrade hotter across the globe than it is now........followed by an ice age, then warm spell, then ice age etc etc....

This is the best conspiracy by multiple governments there has ever been

Originally Posted by rafe005

This is the best conspiracy by multiple governments there has ever been

There is only 1 Government .. bringing in the "New World Order"

Originally Posted by 156Chris

There is only 1 Government .. bringing in the "New World Order"

It better not be headed up by that Bush fella

Good grief - I thought that this was found all to be a hoax - and that it was deliberate to mislead the worlds population for financial benefit of goverments.. (basically tax the stupid ****ers because they are too stupid to understand anything different)

Climate change is a natural cycle enjoy it while you can - because things will change - why because it always does....

Its just stupid arrogance and the naivity of the idiots that choose to ignore that climate change is part and part of the worlds natural cycle in relation to orbits and solar activity...as well as the earths own magnetic strengths over given periods...absolutley at present nothing man can do about it

I mean how many people here actually know that the sun actually changes its magnetic poles...yes it flips them ??

How many people here understand that in relation to the earths own magnetic poles and van allen belts - which increase an decrease in field strength over given periods...??

How many people even know about the fact the sun is a periodical star with known referenced activity - basically it is a variable star, with many known variations of activity or cycles of intensity and variations known as harmonics??

I wish people would stop banging on about climate change - and do some proper research

Because the notion of climate change is in some way in our control is about as stupid and baseless as suggesting we can stop the sun from shining...

What a load of crap - I honestly shake my head at people that believe in this bilge....



Chris

Originally Posted by Seabadger

The C4 documentary was poor in that it misrepresented the several of the people who appeared on it. Juvenile programming, really.

Can you name these "several people"? The only one who complained of misrepresentation was Dr Carl Wunsch. None of the other scientists who appeared on the programme have made any negative comments about it.

The IPCC also grumbled, but they're hardly independent - their jobs depend entirely on promoting the man-made global warming theory. They're also the bunch of jokers who predicted that summer 2007 would bring drought to the UK when in fact it brought floods.

American physicists warned not to debate global warming | The Register

Originally Posted by chrisd_b

Good grief - I thought that this was found all to be a hoax - and that it was deliberate to mislead the worlds population for financial benefit of goverments.. (basically tax the stupid ****ers because they are too stupid to understand anything different)

Climate change is a natural cycle enjoy it while you can - because things will change - why because it always does....

Its just stupid arrogance and the naivity of the idiots that choose to ignore that climate change is part and part of the worlds natural cycle in relation to orbits and solar activity...as well as the earths own magnetic strengths over given periods...absolutley at present nothing man can do about it

I mean how many people here actually know that the sun actually changes its magnetic poles...yes it flips them ??

How many people here understand that in relation to the earths own magnetic poles and van allen belts - which increase an decrease in field strength over given periods...??

How many people even know about the fact the sun is a periodical star with known referenced activity - basically it is a variable star, with many known variations of activity or cycles of intensity and variations known as harmonics??

I wish people would stop banging on about climate change - and do some proper research

Because the notion of climate change is in some way in our control is about as stupid and baseless as suggesting we can stop the sun from shining...

What a load of crap - I honestly shake my head at people that believe in this bilge....



Chris

Chris, I knew after our recent run of agreeing with each other we'd have to fall out again. You are of course spouting complete drival.. I've done some proper research re. climate change and it is definately man made... See seanbonner: Less Pirates = Global Warming

Originally Posted by Monty

Chris, I knew after our recent run of agreeing with each other we'd have to fall out again. You are of course spouting complete drival.. I've done some proper research re. climate change and it is definately man made... See seanbonner: Less Pirates = Global Warming

Yet again another load of statistics that are founded on inaccurate data

Definition of a Pirate:

Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore

I think you'll find we have much more than 17 in modern time ... Gordon "Pirate" Brown is the current "Black Beard"!!!

Yes the pirates prove nothing.

However the birthrate in German is directly
proportional to the stork population.

Real proof that babies are indeed brought by storks!

Still can't see why the C4 programme was called on its bias.

Called the 'The Great Global Warming Swindle', I think that kind of lays out its posistion on the issue.

Al Gore's film followed 'the party' line and was not picked up on its bias. Disagree with that film and you're some kind of Global Warming luddite!!

You don't need a programme to show both sides, just allow different programmes to show their own proposistion and decide for yourself.

Its warm today in Somerset, I reckon the goverment can probably get a couple of pence on the fuel on the strength of that They call it global warming, I say the sun is shining

Originally Posted by Nev

American physicists warned not to debate global warming | The Register

This is bang on the money


Two issues in the entire AGW argument are not demonstrated to any degree of sufficiency. Climate sensitivity to CO2, and the direction and magnitude of feedbacks. Without solid demonstration of these, everything else is guesswork, and measures taken to alleviate the effects of AGW are at best wasteful, and at worst counterproductive.

Originally Posted by 156Chris

So depending upon which side of the argument you are sitting you can quote statistics all day long proving your respective point ...

That is the hole point of statistics isn't it.

One point if you can tell me who said ; There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Wikipedia tells me its Benjamin Disraeli, do i still get the point or was that cheating?