For those who support new laws for "combatting terror"[sic]...

Originally Posted by Nev

That may have been the case in the good ol' days
but the time is coming, with some of the laws that
are being passed, where a cop will be able to stop
you outside your house see you haven't got you papers
with you and throw you in jail for the night.
And maybe then decide you "fit" a case and concoct
a story to suit. (After all I reckon you could easily
create a good set of evidence in 42 days just
to have another "Terrorist Plot Foiled Aren't We Great"
headline.)

I can already see it happening gradually over there.
But I suppose if that's what the public has been
frightened into accepting...

What a bunch of cynics! the good old days? how old do you think I am? I m talking about now, just because you dont see or hear about the results and success doesnt mean it is not happening!!!!!!!!!!!! I am in the now and for every terrorist attack you know about there are approximately 5 that are stopped you dont know about, you ungrateful whinging people! try enjoying your freedom and assisting maybe? I m shocked at the negativity and yet not shocked at the same time. people are either complaining or lethargic.

Not sure if it is worth dying for this country as some soldiers and police have done over the years.

I m very disappointed with the negativity. I believe 42 days and an orange jump suit might just do the trick with some people. There are some amazing people in this country doing amazingly positive things for their communities and too many of us focus on the apparent total badness of this country. You are perfect for the media, they love you.Become amember of the TA or a Special copper or CSO and experience the other side or at least give back and you might have a better outlook on it all. Better still move to Zimbabwe or Iraq or Afghan etc and experience real hardship.

Please please see the positive side or at least blame the crims and thieving chavs rather than those who are trying to make it safe here!


Love you. xxxxxxxxxxx

Originally Posted by foxybrown

I love this country an in the end most people who have the positions to do something about the problems are doing their best, there are about 70 million people doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CHILL!

Well said foxybrown

Stop wingeing, you lot, and if it really bothers you DO something about it.

Originally Posted by foxybrown

Please please see the positive side ........

The positive side doesn't seem to be what people want to hear....

Judging by newspaper headlines and TV coverage we have become obsessed with 'bad news'

For some inexplicable reason the majority prefer to see videos of 'police, camera, action' rubbish than to see the many good things that are being done.

No apologies from me about my positive attitude...


I've tried on here before...

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/way-o...d-news-tv.html ('Good News' TV)

Originally Posted by alfaGJ

No apologies from me about my positive attitude...


I've tried on here before...

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/way-o...d-news-tv.html ('Good News' TV)

Well I m on your side with this AlfaG, life is much better than people think although I think it is slightly unfair that they got rid of the Page 7 Fella from the Current Bun.

Life is good................... a new thread I think!

A life is good thread would be a real breath of fresh air...

On re-reading the BBC webpage.... I looked for real substance in the 'news'

... and what was it?

Well.... a Local Government Association chairman has written a letter..

He has cautioned councils about "overzealous use of surveillance" because it is likely to "alienate the public" which, to me, seems perfectly reasonable (there are always one or two people who overstep the mark... even here on AO).

3 examples are then quoted but were clearly not in the letter. They have been inserted by the journalist to raise the profile of the story.

The letter is then possibly (but not clearly) quoted again with "dog fouling and littering" as being two areas that were not considered "necessary or proportionate".

Sir Simon is then quoted as saying

"I don't think councils are abusing their powers, but there have been one or two instances... where it could be said that perhaps some of the offences being investigated were too trivial to be using surveillance techniques."

And then the journalist really gets into his stride....

It is estimated that about 3,000 people have been targeted in the last year, for alleged offences that included dog smuggling, storing petrol without permission and keeping unburied animal carcasses.


Estimated by whom? (unburied animal carcasses?.... is this the rural news or the town news?)


"A survey of fewer than 10% of councils, carried out by the Press Association, showed that spying techniques were used 1,343 times"


A survey carried out by the Press... well that will be reliable won't it?


....and the whole thing ends very lamely with a Civil Rights Activist jumping on the bandwagon...



Not exactly earth shattering in my opinion.

Hear hear......new thread started

Sorry, not about to 'chill' or be laid back about the rolling out of increased reguation and enforcement. The 'nothing to worry about if you have done nothing wrong' argument bothers me alot:

...never exceeded the speed limit?
...never smoked in the workplace?
...never paid cash to somebody without an invoice?
...never borrowed/taken something from your employer (including using the phone)?

Freedom was hard won in this country and just because we have a democracy does not mean we should not challenge the motives of government all the time.

Originally Posted by David Jarrett

Sorry, not about to 'chill' or be laid back about the rolling out of increased reguation and enforcement. The 'nothing to worry about if you have done nothing wrong' argument bothers me alot:

...never exceeded the speed limit?
...never smoked in the workplace?
...never paid cash to somebody without an invoice?
...never borrowed/taken something from your employer (including using the phone)?

Freedom was hard won in this country and just because we have a democracy does not mean we should not challenge the motives of government all the time.

Is it freedom your worried about or your right to break the law ?

Good point, but what I was getting at was that yesterday's minor transgression is todays law breaker, deserving zero tolerance detection and punishment.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that 'all is well' just because you do not mind the laws that are now being enforced today. Tomorrow, your, or my, innocent indiscretions may feel the full force of this control freak government.

So I'm supposed to chill and relax while my liberties are eroded. Jeez, you lot. There's no point discussing it.

Originally Posted by foxybrown

Monty, I m going to say CHILL again because I am not naive, I m a soldier who has seen the world (not just Iraq and Afghan) and if the average bloke is going to get upset about laws and regs that can assist in both serious and not so serious crime/incidents rather than enjoy the freedoms in this country, then crack on, get wound up because it is here to stay. I m in a line of work where this is vital and you would be surprised how much petty stuff identifies far worse crime. If you are an upstanding member of the community with nothing to hide and you get a bin fine, write a letter, fight your corner but you may be interested to know that many serious terrorists have been discovered through low level and seemingly petty stuff from local councils, cameras, nosey neighbours etc.

Perspective perspective perspective! there are places in the world where your minor rant would get your tongue cut out. We should be grateful we are in a society where we can have so much freedom, a site like this would be shut down in some other countries I will not name.

Niave I am not, realistic I am and yes I do get upset when I get dogturds on my beautiful shoes, and if my neighbour puts his stuff in my bin, no doubt he would be stupid enough to throw soemthing away with his address on and and use it to discuss with him he may want to consider not doing it. Too much paranoia, not enough neighbourly attitude.Nothing a bottle of wine and a low cut top and a smile wont cure. (Try putting on a low cut top and smiling - gets you miles in this shallow world.)

Dont rant, relax, we got your back.

Monty, come here and give me a hug.....come on, come here, come on..............................there we go, not so bad. Move next door to me, I ll look after you.


I love this country an in the end most people who have the positions to do something about the problems are doing their best, there are about 70 million people doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CHILL!

You're right. In fact probably the best way to protect us 'citizens' is to put us all in camps surrounded by barbed wire and machine guns to 'protect' us from the terrorist threat.

Originally Posted by Monty

You're right. In fact probably the best way to protect us 'citizens' is to put us all in camps surrounded by barbed wire and machine guns to 'protect' us from the terrorist threat.

Oi you, keep your mouth shut! It's for your own good. If we have freedom of speech, the terrorists may use it to their advantage.

Now get back in your cell and eat your gruel....

Originally Posted by rayq81

Where are all the cells going to come from ? this country cant lock up criminals because they have no room for them

... or they'll do what they've started doing here, arresting people,
taking them back to the station and put them in
a room (handcuffed) with an open window and then shoot them
seven times whilst they make their escape still handcuffed.

Originally Posted by HSTDriver

Now get back in your cell and eat your gruel....

Gruel? Luxury! We've only got stale bread here!

Originally Posted by foxybrown

if you are nt doing anything wrong you ve nothing to worry about,

<yawn> how many times have I heard that. Nothing to worry about but your civil liberties being completely eroded. The type of sheep who believe the government should be allowed access to any private data they like really worry me.

Originally Posted by Nev

... or they'll do what they've started doing here, arresting people,
taking them back to the station and put them in
a room (handcuffed) with an open window and then shoot them
seven times whilst they make their escape still handcuffed.







Gruel? Luxury! We've only got stale bread here!

Bread? Bread! You lucky bastard I have to eat my own Koran!

Originally Posted by robk147

<yawn> how many times have I heard that. Nothing to worry about but your civil liberties being completely eroded. The type of sheep who believe the government should be allowed access to any private data they like really worry me.

Private data that they promptly leave lying around. Nothing to worry about at all..

Originally Posted by robk147

<yawn> how many times have I heard that. Nothing to worry about but your civil liberties being completely eroded. The type of sheep who believe the government should be allowed access to any private data they like really worry me.

Well RobK147 this fckin sheep will remember that when there is a firemans strike and we are replacing them or an ambulance strike and we are replacing them or riot control or the taliban or (i could go on but its not really worth the effort).

All i m saying is contribute and then you have a right to judge! There are lots of different ways to contribue but whining is not one of them!!!! At least the terrorist gets off his arse and goes to the effort of carrying out an operation, we have rules (good versus evil) and so the dance continues but British lethargy is the BIGGEST CRIME THERE IS!

We do have access to a lot of stuff but there are not enough people in the world to sift through most of the ****e and video going on in most of England, we are doing our best, we catch crims and terrorists and all that ****e about one acceptable thing today is unacceptable another day, that is called life and globalisation.


Go down the QMs and sign for your Orange jump suit, I ll deal with you later!

As for the rest of you.................................back to work!!!!!

Originally Posted by foxybrown

Well RobK147 this fckin sheep will remember that when there is a firemans strike and we are replacing them or an ambulance strike and we are replacing them or riot control or the taliban or (i could go on but its not really worth the effort).

All i m saying is contribute and then you have a right to judge! There are lots of different ways to contribue but whining is not one of them!!!! At least the terrorist gets off his arse and goes to the effort of carrying out an operation, we have rules (good versus evil) and so the dance continues but British lethargy is the BIGGEST CRIME THERE IS!

I do contribute. I pay taxes that indirectly pay your wages and funds the whole security apparatus