New Road Tax rules

No.
Again, there have been tax hikes and threatened tax hikes before. They have always been from that point onwards, as there is no ecological value to increasing the tax burden on cars which are already on the road.
It is perfectly fair to say you should expect the tax rates to rise, and that the higher tax brackets should be expected to rise more quickly.
But this time they have completely revamped the tax bands, and made these new bands retrospective.

This hasn't happened before, and in fact they've specifically NOT done it before. SO why should it be expected this time?

Originally Posted by Dibby

It's not my thinking Ray, it's the governments thinking that says we should all drive around in 600cc Smart Cars at 20mph.

And it was the public of Gert Britain that voted them in, not me, I've been trying my best to vote them out but with only one vote vs the rest of the country, it's them that keep voting labour back in again. I'm as peeved as you being hit in the pocket but I'm not going to complain about it because I saw it coming a mile off and all I can do is put a tick in someone else's box on polling day.

Your point is a bit clearer now thanks Yes i agree the best way forward is get off our arses and vote these clowns out.

Originally Posted by bazza

why should it be expected this time?

Because cars aren't seen as 'green' under the current government thinking regime. Anything that's not seen as green can (and probably will) be subject to being taxed. If labour get in again, expect more rises on airport fuel duty, taxes on your carrier bags ... now the greenies are in there, expect these rises from any party that takes over if labour don't get in again.

The planned drop of tax relief for gassed cars, we'll all wail and bleat some more when that happens but we all know in the back of our minds it's coming

Originally Posted by rayq81

Your point is a bit clearer now thanks Yes i agree the best way forward is get off our arses and vote these clowns out.

That's what I meant!
I despise the current thinking of the government to wring money out of anything car related.

Hell, I'd love to have fuel as cheap as the middle east, ride around all day chewing fuel in a massive V8, I'm not having kids so I don't care what happens to the world after I die ... but that's a very selfish and quite wrong attitude to take.

Something needs to be done about the amount of fuel being burnt up but I don't agree with the government's solution of taxing everything they can ... if I knew the solution I'd be a very rich man.

Originally Posted by Dibby

Because cars aren't seen as 'green' under the current government thinking regime. Anything that's not seen as green can (and probably will) be subject to being taxed. If labour get in again, expect more rises on airport fuel duty, taxes on your carrier bags ... now the greenies are in there, expect these rises from any party that takes over if labour don't get in again.

The planned drop of tax relief for gassed cars, we'll all wail and bleat some more when that happens but we all know in the back of our minds it's coming

I'm sorry, but you're working with hindsight.

There was no reason to predict that the changes would be made retrospective, and every reason to believe they would not, since they had already made provision for them not to be in the past (hence the GTA being group F not G at the moment, because G was NOT made retrospective).

I agree with everything you're saying about the changes, but you're also attempting to say that all of this was obvious and coming across as very superior when the evidence you use for it's apparent clarity is all only available after the event.
Before the changes every action the government had taken in this arena pointed the opposite way.
Basically you're calling people stupid who followed the evidence as it stood for not predicting something which went against all previous experience - and you are claiming this great knowledge of what would happen only after the event.
That's what I had a problem with.
Anyone who bought a post 2006 group G car would have had every expectation of being fleeced. Anyone buying a 2001-2006 lower group car had every reason to believe that they had lessened the likely impact on them.

Originally Posted by rayq81

Your point is a bit clearer now thanks Yes i agree the best way forward is get off our arses and vote these clowns out.

And vote some other clowns in?

Governments will always stiff the low and middle income families the hardest, whilst leaving the higher income families largely alone. That's thanks in part to the background of the majority of MP's is from those higher income families.

The motorist is a nice easy target for taxation, along with drinkers and smokers. That hasn't changed in living memory, and it won't change for as long as you or I live.

It doesn't matter which colour rosette the PM hides behind, they'll all use the same tricks to fleece Joe Public.

I reckon after two opr three terms of the next tory government you'll be hearing the same arguments about them 'kick them out' you'll be yelling. And so the cycle continues.

It's not that party that's at fault, it's the system.

Originally Posted by bazza

I'm sorry, but you're working with hindsight

Sorry, but people have been talking about 4x4s and big engined cars being persecuted for years, this really is no surprise. Yes, the retrospective increases are a sh**ty tactic used by the government but you didn't expect things to get better and road taxes to drop did you? You know as well as I do that taxes on cars will only increase year on year in the next 10 years.

It's as inevitable as the congestion charge migrating to every major city in the UK. We can stick our fingers in our ears and pretend it's not going to happen but we all know it will and can't act surprised when it does.

It was inevitable that they would rise by the usual £5 and £10 increases each year.
You're claiming that people should have expected the massive 100% rises for 2001-2006 cars despite all the evidence pointing against this.
You're using hindsight to claim foreknowledge that you could never have had.

Evidence points to the fact you can't put anything past uk.gov

Council tax bills to cover recycling, airport fuel duty, nothing is exempt from a 100% tax hike nowadays

[quote=HSTDriver;1725132]And vote some other clowns in?

Governments will always stiff the low and middle income families the hardest, whilst leaving the higher income families largely alone. That's thanks in part to the background of the majority of MP's is from those higher income families.

Hi,HST, Dr;

Quite agree,
father told me,
never forget you are walking class
to any politician,

Though If you were too
vote for any party in power,
Then,
it would seem to me ,
That they would be thinking
we/they can do no wrong.

which then equals,
more of the same????

John.

I suppose the Government needs to get the money to Finance Northern Rock, the 2 wars, the Olympics, the new trident replacement and the latest £50 billion bank bail out loan from somewhere.

Thats despite the people who pay the tax not wanting most of it.

Oh sorry did I forget the ID car scheme and the Billions pumped into the NHS that get wasted because the service needs reform?

Anyone else hear on the radio this morning that there
will be an x2(?) increase in revenue whilst the reduction
in overall CO2 will be less than 2% ?


Proof, if needs be, that this "environmental concern" is total
BS!


I feel for you guys. ;(

I stand corrected, less than 1% reduction
in CO2


'Useless' green levy on drivers rakes in £4bn - Telegraph

The figures I heard (lloking at it from a slightly different angle:

The amount of tax rebated for those with low polluting cars = ~£10M

The amount of extra tax taken from those with 'high polluting' (actually anything from a fair way below avergae upwards) = ~£700M

Originally Posted by Dibby

It doesn't have to be tough, the cycle has been going on since the dawn of time, boom-bust-boom-bust, we've been enjoying the longest period of boom since WWII and seem to be getting complacent. People who didn't put pennies away for a rainy day while the sun was shining on us frankly deserve what they get.

Too many people have maxed out credit cards, took the equity out of their house to buy a car that has now halved in value and now house prices are dropping. Credit should be used to cushion the hard times, not to live like a king in the good times.

The 10p tax rate issue has all of a sudden sprung to life but it was announced a year or 2 ago in the budget and I remember thinking 'Ooh, how's that going to affect me in a few years?' It's not a surprise, the country has known about it for a good year or 2 but now the labour rebellion bandwaggon's finally rolling. Why wasn't this issue brought up when it was announced? Why leave it until people have been short changed? Have people been hiding their heads in the sand pretending it wouldn't happen, or that house prices wouldn't fall? The persecution of large petrol engines has been on the cards for the last 5 years, we've had plenty of time to sort ourselves out but now we're wailing and bleating about how much the tax has gone up.

Sorry, bit of a rant but public laziness and winging is starting to get to me when I hear on the news banks should bail people out who spent every penny they earn in the boom period, now the economy's taking a downturn the government (aka taxpayer) have to bail them out.

That may be a valid point but being thoroughly and boringly sensible, I have lived within my means and have no debt outside a modest mortgage; but because the economy has so roundly trashed and the government is taking so much of my money in tax I won't be changing my 3.0 car, for reasons of financial prudence. For me at least, this rather defeats their disingenuous "green" claims. It may be about profligacy for some but not I ! - I simply resent being used as a cash cow and getting nothing in return. We have a tax gathering speed camera withing 200 yards of where I live but thieves just stole 2 bay trees from out side my front door and lifted 20 square metres of york stone paving from a neighbours driveway. Meanwhile we live in an overcrowded world but give tax breaks for breeding to excess

Originally Posted by jono59