Waterboarding

Apparently the Americans (although I'm sure this definition is confined to their current government and not ALL of them) don't think Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is a torture - but what do you think?

They also have no idea what Prince Charles' first name is, so of course they wont think that's torture. It's only the civilised world that knows these things.

The best bit is the fact that the yanks
executed Japanese officers after WWII
for waterboarding prisoners of wars.


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Originally Posted by Nev

The best bit is the fact that the yanks
executed Japanese officers after WWII
for waterboarding prisoners of wars.

Oh gord. I can feel another Guardian Reader Special thread in the making....Let me just go grab my CND beanie hat and sandals....

Trouble is, I'm very much on the side of this whole Jack Bauer styled interrogation routine. I say go for it, to hell with human rights, get the information you need any way possible.

"Yes but you'd feel differently if it was a family member"

Not if my family member was a suspected terrorist.

We live in a very PC world these days and I've had enough of it.

Originally Posted by Darren156

Trouble is, I'm very much on the side of this whole Jack Bauer styled interrogation routine. I say go for it, to hell with human rights, get the information you need any way possible.

"Yes but you'd feel differently if it was a family member"

Not if my family member was a suspected terrorist.

We live in a very PC world these days and I've had enough of it.

Wot he said

And there I was thinking it was a variation on wakeboarding... doh!

Originally Posted by Darren156

Trouble is, I'm very much on the side of this whole Jack Bauer styled interrogation routine. I say go for it, to hell with human rights, get the information you need any way possible.

"Yes but you'd feel differently if it was a family member"

Not if my family member was a suspected terrorist.

We live in a very PC world these days and I've had enough of it.

I agree if you know without doubt that they are a terrorist. But i dont think its right to torture someone to find out if they are or not.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Wot he said

Originally Posted by Alfaspeed

I agree if you know without doubt that they are a terrorist. But i dont think its right to torture someone to find out if they are or not.

I think our next move should be us three out there kicking heads in,

I mean, you are right to an extent in that you cannot just run around pouring water over everybody's face shouting 'Do you know where Osama is?!', but these people have been 'detained' for a reason. These people aren't just random people picked off the street, they are being interrogated because the authorities 'supposedly' have sufficient evidence against them that proves they are either dealing with, or are themselves, terrorists.

And I know there's gonna be a wave of people saying 'Ooooh, there is no evidence! These poor innocent bastards are completely faultless!'. Well, possibly, but so what? If a few civilians are caught in the crossfire and get a bit of water sloshed in their face so that we can stamp out these religious nuts then so be it.

In reality, it's completely pointless, as the more we try to get rid of these bastards the more they hate us, and the more they want to kill us, and it just goes on and on.

The entire planet is a massive s**t hole really, let's be honest here, everybody's off their heads. Including me sadly.

You been at the cough medicine again.. ?


Ralf S.

Is there such a thing as lager-boarding..? That's not torture.. just a normal night out in Sutton!


Ralf S.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

Oh gord. I can feel another Guardian Reader Special thread in the making....Let me just go grab my CND beanie hat and sandals....

So you're saying they shouldn't have found
those poor Japanese guilty then?

I suppose I can kind of see your point,
it's just a duty, is that it?

Originally Posted by Nev

So you're saying they shouldn't have found
those poor Japanese guilty then?

I suppose I can kind of see your point,
it's just a duty, is that it?

Nev, I'm not going to get dragged into an argument on this one, as I'll only get accused of being a South American dictator/sexual deviant/troll/secret tory propoganda plant/take your pick

I think you can probably guess my views on this one, ie it's no coincidence that we haven't had another 9/11 or 7/7; there are only a minority of scumbags actually prepared to do that sort of thing, and most of em are probably locked up in Gitmo Bay. If they are not, then the guys the yanks have behind bars know who they are, and as the man said you do whatever it takes to get the information you need to save innocent lives.

The liberal leftys who whinge about Gitmo Bay etc never actually address the issue of how those guys (many foreign nations including sadly, Brits) got to be there, ie they were picked up on and around the Afghan border - and why would you be in that area if you not involved in terrorism ?

The biggest laugh was the 3 Brits who were released; they claimed that had gone there to attend a wedding ! Yeah, and my ar5e smells of strawberrys and cream.....

If you would rather wait until a few thousand innocents get blown to bits, hope the perpetrators don't kill themselves in the process so you can then put them in front of a civilian court, and therefore protect their "human rights" in the process, go ahead. Don't waterboard.

I shall say no more on the subject.

Who says what comes out of someone under torture is the truth? Would you not make up whatever the hell they wanted to hear? And then where does it end up? Not good I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by Cloverleaf146

I think you can probably guess my views on this one, ie it's no coincidence that we haven't had another 9/11 or 7/7;

I'd say there are more and more after the ****
we've pulled in Iraq.

You look at how many Palestinians are brainwashed
into perpetrating some horrific acts: You can't say
the Israelis are a bunch of lightweight lefties. Can you?
(Maybe they are from your standpoint? )


I think the west should just admit defeat now.

The more freedoms that are eroded in the west
and the more our governments use the
methods of oppressive regimes, then the more
we become what Bin Laden and his Saudi backers
wanted us to be like in the first place.

(There were no British citizens at Guantanamo
to my knowledge, unless I missed something.)

Originally Posted by Mrs Corbo

Who says what comes out of someone under torture is the truth? Would you not make up whatever the hell they wanted to hear? And then where does it end up? Not good I'm afraid.

Well it does mean the clear-up/conviction rate is very
high in countries that allow police torture.







I think people who support the use of torture should
get off the fence and stop pussy-footing around.
There is a lot of dodgy semantics and subtle reclassification
going on, mostly driven by the US.

Hardened terrorists are surely going to be highly
trained in psychological defence against torture, no?
Harder methods may be required:
Why stop at torturing suspects? If you bring in
the family and, lets say, rape a wife, a mother, a daughter or two?
I'm sure they'll all be more co-operative and say
absolutely anything you need them to say.

That's what we're saying isn't it? "Anything goes."

The gloves are off and we don't care about
anything so long as our public thinks that
our governments' actions can protect them.

There is no protection against suicide bombers.

"(There were no British citizens at Guantanamo
to my knowledge, unless I missed something.)"


You missed something; there were around 7 I believe. The only name I can remember is a guy called M. Begg; if you do one of your Guardian searches I am sure you will find all the info.

Now I really am going to say no more on the subject